Did you know:
Delmar Crim has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do?
The name Delmar is Finnish for “professional?”
Michael S. Roth has the key to Middletown, but Delmar Crim has the key to Michael S. Roth?
Delmar Crim never cries?
In college Delmar Crim majored in Efficiency?
Delmar Crim can only be destroyed in the fires of Mordor?
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5:01 here…Sorry, that was a mean-spirited post and I apologize. It does make a point, though. Wrongful accusations are hurtful, huh? I know the bloggers just wanted to be the champs of the little guy or whatever, but BA has been dragged through the mud and I think this blog has been a big force behind that. Hopefully, now that all the info is out, things will get better for both sides.
5:01 here…
Sorry, that was a mean-spirited post and I apologize. It does make a point, though. Wrongful accusations are hurtful, huh? I know the bloggers just wanted to be the champs of the little guy or whatever, but BA has been dragged through the mud and I think this blog has been a big force behind that. Hopefully, now that all the info is out, things will get better for both sides.
5:01 pm, that is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. I think you knew how absurd it was when you wrote it, too. Stop trolling.Wesleyan students (wesleying bloggers included) like to complain. Complaining does tend to get things fixed eventually. I think that the attitude on campus toward the union has been shifting, and Wesleying has been riding that wave as much as anyone. Just look at the shift in the nature of comments on these many, many BA and Usdan related posts. Wesleying bloggers are not unique here.
5:01 pm, that is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. I think you knew how absurd it was when you wrote it, too. Stop trolling.
Wesleyan students (wesleying bloggers included) like to complain. Complaining does tend to get things fixed eventually. I think that the attitude on campus toward the union has been shifting, and Wesleying has been riding that wave as much as anyone. Just look at the shift in the nature of comments on these many, many BA and Usdan related posts. Wesleying bloggers are not unique here.
oh my god. if we aren’t adding freaking google adwords, we definitely aren’t accepting bribes from the fucking union.-xue, who is taking personal offense.
oh my god. if we aren’t adding freaking google adwords, we definitely aren’t accepting bribes from the fucking union.
-xue, who is taking personal offense.
Makes one wonder if one or more of the bloggers here are getting kickbacks for spreading all that anti-BA propaganda. Holly admits to taking money to spread the word about TFA, so what’s to say she wouldn’t extend the same opportunity to the union. Just food for thought…
Makes one wonder if one or more of the bloggers here are getting kickbacks for spreading all that anti-BA propaganda. Holly admits to taking money to spread the word about TFA, so what’s to say she wouldn’t extend the same opportunity to the union. Just food for thought…
I hate to say it, but it does seem like the union is coming off as the villain here, and Crim the reasonable one. If the numbers out there are true, then yeah, the union’s just greedy.
I hate to say it, but it does seem like the union is coming off as the villain here, and Crim the reasonable one. If the numbers out there are true, then yeah, the union’s just greedy.
3:04 – The workers seem to do OK at other schools that are non-union shops. They don’t make insane amounts of money, but they do better than workers in restaurants, and they have decent benefits. I’ve been at non-union schools and there was far less squawking about management – both from the workers and the students.
3:04 – The workers seem to do OK at other schools that are non-union shops. They don’t make insane amounts of money, but they do better than workers in restaurants, and they have decent benefits. I’ve been at non-union schools and there was far less squawking about management – both from the workers and the students.
No, i am saying that they don’t deserve as much as they are getting, pay attention. They are taking advantage of the school and our high tuition. They know we have money, and they know that they could screw us out of every dime we own. They should be happy for what they have, and stop complaining. The tail doesn’t wag the dog. If we dont like the high prices, then we need to lower wages.
No, i am saying that they don’t deserve as much as they are getting, pay attention. They are taking advantage of the school and our high tuition. They know we have money, and they know that they could screw us out of every dime we own. They should be happy for what they have, and stop complaining. The tail doesn’t wag the dog. If we dont like the high prices, then we need to lower wages.
You’re not making sense. You talk about how good working conditions are for the food service workers, and say this renders the union irrelevant. Guess what? Unionization is the reason these working conditions exist. Saying good working conditions renders unions irrelevant is like saying good health renders vaccines irrelevant.
You’re not making sense. You talk about how good working conditions are for the food service workers, and say this renders the union irrelevant. Guess what? Unionization is the reason these working conditions exist. Saying good working conditions renders unions irrelevant is like saying good health renders vaccines irrelevant.
Delmar seems to me to be doing the right thing here. I wouldn’t want to join it anymore than the sushi guys. What part of anyone wants to pay people to bitch on your behalf, when you don’t even want to bitch? The whole union seems to have this sense of entitlement that they don’t deserve. They make FAR more than anyone else in that industry… and in some cases multiple times as much. Did you hear him say that they have paid $30000 in overtime in one week? This is because they might get paid a very generous $18 an hour, but on top of that if they work over time they get paid time and a half. This can easily double their salary in a year, turning their 38,000 per nine months to nearly 60,000 and up if they work hard enough. And this is what many of them do. Now for many of them having little to no college education this is more than fair, even for CT. On top of that they get FREE HEALTH CARE! This is more than some of our professors, chefs, and other staff… plus they don’t have the option of getting paid overtime. We have other workers who are working 70-80 hour work weeks who are on salary… and when you divide it up it is way less than all of the union workers hourly wage. Now can we really argue that they really deserve such a large hourly wage? Also, if you need 4 more hours to get health insurance… then work 4 more hours. It’s called working! You were lucky you were getting health insurance anyway with those few hours. And don’t even get me started on the janitors eating there for a discount. I don’t want my food prices to go up even more. The reason they can’t eat there is because we pay everyone else too much to begin with. If we didn’t have a union we could be eating for probably 30% less, then we could fed the whole staff if we wanted too… or better yet they could actually afford it! Isn’t that a novel idea! I am all for people getting paid fair, and making a reasonable salary… but I think we can all agree that we have surpassed reasonable and we are venturing into the insane. I am willing to bet that many of us will graduate from here… get a job, and still get paid less than the lady who cleans your dishes at college. Life isn’t fair, and soon we will all realize that. So I beg my fellow students. Quit complaining! Go back to your dorm, study, drink a beer, or even go to your stupid sex parties but please leave this crap alone! I hope one day you get put in the same situation as Delmar and feel what its like to work with impossible, whiney people like you and the union.
Delmar seems to me to be doing the right thing here. I wouldn’t want to join it anymore than the sushi guys. What part of anyone wants to pay people to bitch on your behalf, when you don’t even want to bitch? The whole union seems to have this sense of entitlement that they don’t deserve. They make FAR more than anyone else in that industry… and in some cases multiple times as much. Did you hear him say that they have paid $30000 in overtime in one week? This is because they might get paid a very generous $18 an hour, but on top of that if they work over time they get paid time and a half. This can easily double their salary in a year, turning their 38,000 per nine months to nearly 60,000 and up if they work hard enough. And this is what many of them do. Now for many of them having little to no college education this is more than fair, even for CT. On top of that they get FREE HEALTH CARE! This is more than some of our professors, chefs, and other staff… plus they don’t have the option of getting paid overtime. We have other workers who are working 70-80 hour work weeks who are on salary… and when you divide it up it is way less than all of the union workers hourly wage. Now can we really argue that they really deserve such a large hourly wage?
Also, if you need 4 more hours to get health insurance… then work 4 more hours. It’s called working! You were lucky you were getting health insurance anyway with those few hours.
And don’t even get me started on the janitors eating there for a discount. I don’t want my food prices to go up even more. The reason they can’t eat there is because we pay everyone else too much to begin with. If we didn’t have a union we could be eating for probably 30% less, then we could fed the whole staff if we wanted too… or better yet they could actually afford it!
Isn’t that a novel idea!
I am all for people getting paid fair, and making a reasonable salary… but I think we can all agree that we have surpassed reasonable and we are venturing into the insane. I am willing to bet that many of us will graduate from here… get a job, and still get paid less than the lady who cleans your dishes at college. Life isn’t fair, and soon we will all realize that.
So I beg my fellow students. Quit complaining! Go back to your dorm, study, drink a beer, or even go to your stupid sex parties but please leave this crap alone! I hope one day you get put in the same situation as Delmar and feel what its like to work with impossible, whiney people like you and the union.
The man is a chef, not a politician. He seems like just a straightforward kind of guy to me.
The man is a chef, not a politician. He seems like just a straightforward kind of guy to me.
“It may be a generalization, but you will be hard pressed to find a legitimate sushi worker willing to join a union”what is your basis here?? I heard these sushi workers travel from New York City , and I know there are union sushi chefs there, at the least. They join the union when they join the union shop, in hotels and in supermarkets. The same way it should happen here.
“It may be a generalization, but you will be hard pressed to find a legitimate sushi worker willing to join a union”
what is your basis here?? I heard these sushi workers travel from New York City , and I know there are union sushi chefs there, at the least. They join the union when they join the union shop, in hotels and in supermarkets. The same way it should happen here.
I’m with 3:23 – how is recognizing cultural differences racist? Not allowing them to join the union because they are Chinese, now that would be racist. The offer was made, they said no and they gave their reasons. Maybe the reason he repeats the scenario over and over again is because he keeps getting asked the same damn questions over and over again.
I’m with 3:23 – how is recognizing cultural differences racist? Not allowing them to join the union because they are Chinese, now that would be racist. The offer was made, they said no and they gave their reasons. Maybe the reason he repeats the scenario over and over again is because he keeps getting asked the same damn questions over and over again.
I don’t think it’s completely ridiculous to have some cultural sensitivity – what Delmar Crim is trying to do and not able to articulate because he hasn’t had social justice training by Wesleyan’s elite social justice trainers – that the Chinese sushi workers are not expecting to join a union, and that they may not want to join a union, and forcing them to join a union is not really the fairest idea, either.
I don’t think it’s completely ridiculous to have some cultural sensitivity – what Delmar Crim is trying to do and not able to articulate because he hasn’t had social justice training by Wesleyan’s elite social justice trainers – that the Chinese sushi workers are not expecting to join a union, and that they may not want to join a union, and forcing them to join a union is not really the fairest idea, either.
The “closed shop” is actually illegal under the law, as administered by the National Labor Relations Board. The “union shop” is legit (though uncommon in today’s labor environment) and is what the above poster surely intended to write.
The “closed shop” is actually illegal under the law, as administered by the National Labor Relations Board. The “union shop” is legit (though uncommon in today’s labor environment) and is what the above poster surely intended to write.
Right–that issue has been brought up by wesleying before. Wesleyan is supposed to be a closed-shop and subcontracting is supposed to not happen. This is what makes the union so mad, actually, because once they get away with subcontracting sushi, this is how they could break the whole union. Delmar’s done it at other schools. He’ll do it here.
Right–that issue has been brought up by wesleying before. Wesleyan is supposed to be a closed-shop and subcontracting is supposed to not happen. This is what makes the union so mad, actually, because once they get away with subcontracting sushi, this is how they could break the whole union.
Delmar’s done it at other schools. He’ll do it here.
“Who said anything about Chinese culture before you?”Delmar Crim did. Because the sushi workers are chinese.I (Anon #1) was pointing out a personal flaw of his (I call it “racism”). It had little or nothing to do with the goings on of the WSA meeting.Two people now have made references to “sushi culture”. Really? It’s like that, Wesleyan? There’s a preview button for a reason.
“Who said anything about Chinese culture before you?”
Delmar Crim did. Because the sushi workers are chinese.
I (Anon #1) was pointing out a personal flaw of his (I call it “racism”). It had little or nothing to do with the goings on of the WSA meeting.
Two people now have made references to “sushi culture”. Really? It’s like that, Wesleyan? There’s a preview button for a reason.
blecchak, were you two at the meeting?1) He speculated (in a way that was more bluntly declarative than speculative) that the reason that the Chinese sushi workers were declining to join the unions and receive a standardized salary and benefits is because their “culture is different,” and that wanting health insurance isn’t “part of their culture.” WELL. THANKS FOR THAT.2) Beyond that insightful/inciteful nugget of cultural sensitivity, there was a lot of confusion about how they’re being paid. Apparently they’re not part of Bon Appetit and are subcontracted by AFC. They are being paid on commission (meaning that the more sushi is sold, the more money they make. There’s no actual salary). They are not part of the union and do not receive benefits. Bon Appetit has spoken with them through two different translators about joining the Union and receiving benefits, but they were (according to Delmar Crim) not interested and declined to join both times. An issue now is whether or not it’s legal for them to work on campus without joining the Union, even if they’re not officially with Bon Appetit and are “a franchise,” as Delmar Crim put it. I don’t have a copy of the Bon Appetit contract because there weren’t enough, but the articles that were discussed briefly tonight and that are pertinent to this murky question of legality are (I think) Articles 2.2 and 29.1. I don’t feel comfortable summarizing them and possibly getting them wrong. Could the WSA or someone maybe make this contract public? I searched the wesleyan website and Bon Appetit’s website and found nothing
blecchak, were you two at the meeting?
1) He speculated (in a way that was more bluntly declarative than speculative) that the reason that the Chinese sushi workers were declining to join the unions and receive a standardized salary and benefits is because their “culture is different,” and that wanting health insurance isn’t “part of their culture.” WELL. THANKS FOR THAT.
2) Beyond that insightful/inciteful nugget of cultural sensitivity, there was a lot of confusion about how they’re being paid. Apparently they’re not part of Bon Appetit and are subcontracted by AFC. They are being paid on commission (meaning that the more sushi is sold, the more money they make. There’s no actual salary). They are not part of the union and do not receive benefits. Bon Appetit has spoken with them through two different translators about joining the Union and receiving benefits, but they were (according to Delmar Crim) not interested and declined to join both times. An issue now is whether or not it’s legal for them to work on campus without joining the Union, even if they’re not officially with Bon Appetit and are “a franchise,” as Delmar Crim put it.
I don’t have a copy of the Bon Appetit contract because there weren’t enough, but the articles that were discussed briefly tonight and that are pertinent to this murky question of legality are (I think) Articles 2.2 and 29.1. I don’t feel comfortable summarizing them and possibly getting them wrong. Could the WSA or someone maybe make this contract public? I searched the wesleyan website and Bon Appetit’s website and found nothing
who said anything about chinese culture before you?sushi is japanese. not ethiopian. ethiopian culture and sushi culture are two very different things.
who said anything about chinese culture before you?
sushi is japanese. not ethiopian. ethiopian culture and sushi culture are two very different things.
Fact – Did you know that Delmar Crim has a facebook profile?New Haven, CT network, baby.
Fact – Did you know that Delmar Crim has a facebook profile?
New Haven, CT network, baby.
sushi is japanese. not chinese. chinese culture and sushi culture are two very different things.
sushi is japanese. not chinese. chinese culture and sushi culture are two very different things.
Delmar Crim is a wonderful man. He practically revolutionized the college dining industry as we know it. Also his pecs are sculpted, like sculpted from stone, really.-Michael S. Roth ’78
Delmar Crim is a wonderful man. He practically revolutionized the college dining industry as we know it. Also his pecs are sculpted, like sculpted from stone, really.
-Michael S. Roth ’78
anon #1It may be a generalization, but you will be hard pressed to find a legitimate sushi worker willing to join a unionsometimes, culture can actually explain an individual’s motives. sociology
anon #1
It may be a generalization, but you will be hard pressed to find a legitimate sushi worker willing to join a union
sometimes, culture can actually explain an individual’s motives.
sociology
Did you know that the original Name for Severus Snape in the Harry Potter books was “Delmar Crim”?
Did you know that the original Name for Severus Snape in the Harry Potter books was “Delmar Crim”?
Wait, at the WSA meeting to day he said (and I’ll quote as accurately as possible, but it’s been an hour and a half since I heard it):”The sushi workers are just not interested in joining the union or getting health benefits. It just goes against their culture.”That’s not word for word, but you get the gist. And he said it about six times, in response to different questions about the sushi workers.When somebody (finally) told him to please stop making these statements about individuals based solely on their culture, he responded apologetically:”I know when I say these things it might sound crude, or crass. But I’m just generalizing.”He needs sensitivity training, and he needs it now.
Wait, at the WSA meeting to day he said (and I’ll quote as accurately as possible, but it’s been an hour and a half since I heard it):
“The sushi workers are just not interested in joining the union or getting health benefits. It just goes against their culture.”
That’s not word for word, but you get the gist. And he said it about six times, in response to different questions about the sushi workers.
When somebody (finally) told him to please stop making these statements about individuals based solely on their culture, he responded apologetically:
“I know when I say these things it might sound crude, or crass. But I’m just generalizing.”
He needs sensitivity training, and he needs it now.