Fountain Incident Report

As you already know if you have checked your WesMail, the official consensus report on the Fountain incident (#1…) is available for your perusal here.

EDIT: commentary moved to comments.

50 thoughts on “Fountain Incident Report

  1. Anonymous

    Hmmm, I remember there being 50-100 students when the police first showed up. And I also remember Public Safety casually talking to students, not urging them en masse to disperse. But then again, I am a biased Wesleyan rioter who naturally despises the system, even though the system brought me to the top, and all of that other stuff.

  2. Anonymous

    Hmmm, I remember there being 50-100 students when the police first showed up. And I also remember Public Safety casually talking to students, not urging them en masse to disperse. But then again, I am a biased Wesleyan rioter who naturally despises the system, even though the system brought me to the top, and all of that other stuff.

  3. Anonymous

    Hmmm, I remember there being 50-100 students when the police first showed up. And I also remember Public Safety casually talking to students, not urging them en masse to disperse. But then again, I am a biased Wesleyan rioter who naturally despises the system, even though the system brought me to the top, and all of that other stuff.

  4. Anonymous

    I was not one of those people that immediately attacked the police and public safety when this incident occurred, and assumed students did nothing wrong. I understand that there was a lot of inappropriate behavior and miscommunications from both sides.But I must admit, I’m disappointed in this report. I was very proud of how President Roth handled things at the end of last year, and I had a lot of faith in the administration and in this committee to be as impartial as possible, but that’s not what I see in the report. I find even the language itself to favor the police as an automatically responsible and trustworthy authority, and to show wesleyan students as completely undiscriminating rebels against authority. It’s too bad. I was hoping the world had a little more faith in us.

  5. Anonymous

    I was not one of those people that immediately attacked the police and public safety when this incident occurred, and assumed students did nothing wrong. I understand that there was a lot of inappropriate behavior and miscommunications from both sides.

    But I must admit, I’m disappointed in this report. I was very proud of how President Roth handled things at the end of last year, and I had a lot of faith in the administration and in this committee to be as impartial as possible, but that’s not what I see in the report. I find even the language itself to favor the police as an automatically responsible and trustworthy authority, and to show wesleyan students as completely undiscriminating rebels against authority.

    It’s too bad. I was hoping the world had a little more faith in us.

  6. Sam

    The committee was not tasked with fixing things or coming up with concrete result–its task was to find out what happened, why it happened, and identify what could be done to prevent future similar occurrences. And it has done just that. Why you were expecting any more from this I don’t know.What needs to happen now is that all of us need to work on solving the problems identified in the report. Roth and the rest of the Wesleyan administration are not going solve our problems for us. They have shown that they’re willing to do quite a bit to help us solve them and asking more than that is ridiculous considering the situation.

  7. Sam

    The committee was not tasked with fixing things or coming up with concrete result–its task was to find out what happened, why it happened, and identify what could be done to prevent future similar occurrences. And it has done just that. Why you were expecting any more from this I don’t know.What needs to happen now is that all of us need to work on solving the problems identified in the report. Roth and the rest of the Wesleyan administration are not going solve our problems for us. They have shown that they’re willing to do quite a bit to help us solve them and asking more than that is ridiculous considering the situation.

  8. Sam

    The committee was not tasked with fixing things or coming up with concrete result–its task was to find out what happened, why it happened, and identify what could be done to prevent future similar occurrences. And it has done just that. Why you were expecting any more from this I don’t know.

    What needs to happen now is that all of us need to work on solving the problems identified in the report. Roth and the rest of the Wesleyan administration are not going solve our problems for us. They have shown that they’re willing to do quite a bit to help us solve them and asking more than that is ridiculous considering the situation.

  9. Jacon

    10:12 PM: I do not agree.Everyone: Thanks for the input. Believe it or not, we read it and like it, even (especially?) when we disagree.

  10. Jacon

    10:12 PM: I do not agree.Everyone: Thanks for the input. Believe it or not, we read it and like it, even (especially?) when we disagree.

  11. Jacon

    10:12 PM: I do not agree.

    Everyone: Thanks for the input. Believe it or not, we read it and like it, even (especially?) when we disagree.

  12. Anonymous

    Some entries have a format with fact reporting at the beginning and an insert of personal opinion/commentary/witty remark at the end. I like that; i get the facts and some entertainment, and I can tell which is which.

  13. Anonymous

    Some entries have a format with fact reporting at the beginning and an insert of personal opinion/commentary/witty remark at the end. I like that; i get the facts and some entertainment, and I can tell which is which.

  14. Anonymous

    Some entries have a format with fact reporting at the beginning and an insert of personal opinion/commentary/witty remark at the end.

    I like that; i get the facts and some entertainment, and I can tell which is which.

  15. Anonymous

    As the responder who mentioned neutrality, I didn’t mean to put it on the shoulders of the wesleying blogger. I was more reminding myself, since I’ll read a post and go “Oh, that’s what Wesleyan thinks”. The blog often does have its finger on the Wes-pulse, so to speak, and I forget they’re not one and the same.But definitely, opinions make posts engaging, and sometimes give me something to disagree with and think about. Also, your cynicism may be ultimately right, but I’m holding out naive hope for productive movement. (=Post opinions away!)

  16. Anonymous

    As the responder who mentioned neutrality, I didn’t mean to put it on the shoulders of the wesleying blogger. I was more reminding myself, since I’ll read a post and go “Oh, that’s what Wesleyan thinks”. The blog often does have its finger on the Wes-pulse, so to speak, and I forget they’re not one and the same.But definitely, opinions make posts engaging, and sometimes give me something to disagree with and think about. Also, your cynicism may be ultimately right, but I’m holding out naive hope for productive movement. (=Post opinions away!)

  17. Anonymous

    As the responder who mentioned neutrality, I didn’t mean to put it on the shoulders of the wesleying blogger. I was more reminding myself, since I’ll read a post and go “Oh, that’s what Wesleyan thinks”. The blog often does have its finger on the Wes-pulse, so to speak, and I forget they’re not one and the same.

    But definitely, opinions make posts engaging, and sometimes give me something to disagree with and think about. Also, your cynicism may be ultimately right, but I’m holding out naive hope for productive movement.
    (=Post opinions away!)

  18. Anonymous

    on that note jacon, would it be appropriate for another wesleying poster to post another opinion of the same incident on the front page of the blog? If so, then Wesleying just degenerates into a blog of opinions rather than news. If not, then Wesleying is stifling reality in favor of bias. Keep the opinions to the comments page when you have as broad a blog as wesleying. Try to keep the front page straight up

  19. Anonymous

    on that note jacon, would it be appropriate for another wesleying poster to post another opinion of the same incident on the front page of the blog? If so, then Wesleying just degenerates into a blog of opinions rather than news. If not, then Wesleying is stifling reality in favor of bias. Keep the opinions to the comments page when you have as broad a blog as wesleying. Try to keep the front page straight up

  20. Anonymous

    on that note jacon, would it be appropriate for another wesleying poster to post another opinion of the same incident on the front page of the blog? If so, then Wesleying just degenerates into a blog of opinions rather than news. If not, then Wesleying is stifling reality in favor of bias. Keep the opinions to the comments page when you have as broad a blog as wesleying. Try to keep the front page straight up

  21. Jacon

    Wesleying has never presented itself as a neutral source of information, and I think it is clear to most of our readers that each post reflects the position of the author, and the author only. I don’t think your commentary should have been relegated to the comments Braille – I think you were doing your job well. Those looking for a “neutral” take can read the Argus.

  22. Jacon

    Wesleying has never presented itself as a neutral source of information, and I think it is clear to most of our readers that each post reflects the position of the author, and the author only. I don’t think your commentary should have been relegated to the comments Braille – I think you were doing your job well. Those looking for a “neutral” take can read the Argus.

  23. Jacon

    Wesleying has never presented itself as a neutral source of information, and I think it is clear to most of our readers that each post reflects the position of the author, and the author only. I don’t think your commentary should have been relegated to the comments Braille – I think you were doing your job well. Those looking for a “neutral” take can read the Argus.

  24. Braille

    “Among many meta-evaluative gems, there lurks at least one semiconcrete proposal:”We recommend the creation of a plan to increase positive non-disciplinary interactions between students and Public Safety officers, in the hope of improving that relationship. Public Safety officers have the difficult task of protecting and serving the campus community while also enforcing University policy.”Like a knitting group? Maybe we could go fourwheeling in their SUVs sometime? Totes awesome.This report is the biggest “To Be Continued” I’ve seen in a long time, but with a title like “Final Report,” I guess we’re just going to you know… “move past” this. As an institution.”Ok, IIIIIIIIII put it here instead. Apologies if my biases against creating a (4/5ths administration) preliminary working group to create suggestions for evaluating which proposals need to be addressed by a commission yet to be resolved upon came out in any way in my post. I’m sure concrete, effective and Just policy solutions will nucleate all over this sucker. Furthermore, despite the fact that this is a personal little text thing written by a person here, Don’t Take It Personally Please, WSA People, Please. I know this stuff is really hard. I’m just really frustrated, and I think “uproar” is often justified and too quickly scabbed over by overdeliberate half-solutions and posturing. … but that doesn’t mean that anyone else could do any better.

  25. Braille

    “Among many meta-evaluative gems, there lurks at least one semiconcrete proposal:”We recommend the creation of a plan to increase positive non-disciplinary interactions between students and Public Safety officers, in the hope of improving that relationship. Public Safety officers have the difficult task of protecting and serving the campus community while also enforcing University policy.”Like a knitting group? Maybe we could go fourwheeling in their SUVs sometime? Totes awesome.This report is the biggest “To Be Continued” I’ve seen in a long time, but with a title like “Final Report,” I guess we’re just going to you know… “move past” this. As an institution.”Ok, IIIIIIIIII put it here instead. Apologies if my biases against creating a (4/5ths administration) preliminary working group to create suggestions for evaluating which proposals need to be addressed by a commission yet to be resolved upon came out in any way in my post. I’m sure concrete, effective and Just policy solutions will nucleate all over this sucker. Furthermore, despite the fact that this is a personal little text thing written by a person here, Don’t Take It Personally Please, WSA People, Please. I know this stuff is really hard. I’m just really frustrated, and I think “uproar” is often justified and too quickly scabbed over by overdeliberate half-solutions and posturing. … but that doesn’t mean that anyone else could do any better.

  26. Braille

    “Among many meta-evaluative gems, there lurks at least one semiconcrete proposal:
    “We recommend the creation of a plan to increase positive non-disciplinary interactions between students and Public Safety officers, in the hope of improving that relationship. Public Safety officers have the difficult task of protecting and serving the campus community while also enforcing University policy.”
    Like a knitting group? Maybe we could go fourwheeling in their SUVs sometime? Totes awesome.
    This report is the biggest “To Be Continued” I’ve seen in a long time, but with a title like “Final Report,” I guess we’re just going to you know… “move past” this. As an institution.”

    Ok, IIIIIIIIII put it here instead. Apologies if my biases against creating a (4/5ths administration) preliminary working group to create suggestions for evaluating which proposals need to be addressed by a commission yet to be resolved upon came out in any way in my post. I’m sure concrete, effective and Just policy solutions will nucleate all over this sucker. Furthermore, despite the fact that this is a personal little text thing written by a person here, Don’t Take It Personally Please, WSA People, Please. I know this stuff is really hard. I’m just really frustrated, and I think “uproar” is often justified and too quickly scabbed over by overdeliberate half-solutions and posturing. … but that doesn’t mean that anyone else could do any better.

  27. Anonymous

    Agreed, 7:01. After following the numerous accounts of the events last May, it was apparent there were some biases on all sides, and that the most accurate picture would incorporate these differing perceptions. After the uproar, if we want something productive to come of this, isn’t this the kind of starting point we want? One that aims to collect as much information as possible and begins a thoughtful discussion. I think it’s a reasonable foundation to create before moving forward. And has a better shot at improving things than a cynical remark. At any rate, I think this is one of those times when it’s easy to forget that Wesleying doesn’t purport to represent the opinions of the student body. Somehow you guys feel more official, though, than just someone venting on the acb. So a bit more use of the “I” pronoun in this post might of been a good idea.

  28. Anonymous

    Agreed, 7:01. After following the numerous accounts of the events last May, it was apparent there were some biases on all sides, and that the most accurate picture would incorporate these differing perceptions. After the uproar, if we want something productive to come of this, isn’t this the kind of starting point we want? One that aims to collect as much information as possible and begins a thoughtful discussion. I think it’s a reasonable foundation to create before moving forward. And has a better shot at improving things than a cynical remark. At any rate, I think this is one of those times when it’s easy to forget that Wesleying doesn’t purport to represent the opinions of the student body. Somehow you guys feel more official, though, than just someone venting on the acb. So a bit more use of the “I” pronoun in this post might of been a good idea.

  29. Anonymous

    Agreed, 7:01. After following the numerous accounts of the events last May, it was apparent there were some biases on all sides, and that the most accurate picture would incorporate these differing perceptions.

    After the uproar, if we want something productive to come of this, isn’t this the kind of starting point we want? One that aims to collect as much information as possible and begins a thoughtful discussion.

    I think it’s a reasonable foundation to create before moving forward. And has a better shot at improving things than a cynical remark.

    At any rate, I think this is one of those times when it’s easy to forget that Wesleying doesn’t purport to represent the opinions of the student body. Somehow you guys feel more official, though, than just someone venting on the acb. So a bit more use of the “I” pronoun in this post might of been a good idea.

  30. Anonymous

    I think it is quite clear that the a lot of time was put in to pinpointing the main issues that need to be addressed. These things can’t be solved overnight – and this report gives the administrators and those who will continue to work on these issues a concrete place to start. I find this post to be really inappropriate. It seems like people are working to improve these issues, and all I see here is a classic case of Wesleyan cynicism.

  31. Anonymous

    I think it is quite clear that the a lot of time was put in to pinpointing the main issues that need to be addressed. These things can’t be solved overnight – and this report gives the administrators and those who will continue to work on these issues a concrete place to start. I find this post to be really inappropriate. It seems like people are working to improve these issues, and all I see here is a classic case of Wesleyan cynicism.

  32. Anonymous

    I think it is quite clear that the a lot of time was put in to pinpointing the main issues that need to be addressed. These things can’t be solved overnight – and this report gives the administrators and those who will continue to work on these issues a concrete place to start. I find this post to be really inappropriate. It seems like people are working to improve these issues, and all I see here is a classic case of Wesleyan cynicism.

  33. Saul

    This is not “final” but rather a necessary first step. Next, the WSA will create a commission to review the recommendations of the working group and translate them into concrete policy proposals. The resolution creating this commission will be discussed and voted on at our next General Assembly meeting.

  34. Saul

    This is not “final” but rather a necessary first step. Next, the WSA will create a commission to review the recommendations of the working group and translate them into concrete policy proposals. The resolution creating this commission will be discussed and voted on at our next General Assembly meeting.

  35. Saul

    This is not “final” but rather a necessary first step. Next, the WSA will create a commission to review the recommendations of the working group and translate them into concrete policy proposals. The resolution creating this commission will be discussed and voted on at our next General Assembly meeting.

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