SJB’s WesFest Exemption for Eclectic, Revealed

So probably the most contentious thing about Eclectic being banned from hosting any more events this semester is that one exception in particular was made: a concert on WesFest weekend.

From the WesFest event catalogue:

09:00 PM – 01:00 AM

Alumni Music Extravaganza ft. Francis and the Lights, Das Racist, Acrylics, and See/Saw!

This will be a dance party night to remember, featuring three successful Brooklyn-based Wesleyan alumni bands and one current student band. Not to be missed for fans of MGMT!

Location: Eclectic House (200 High St), Ballroom

DIRECTLY REFERENCES MGMT.

Come, prefrosh! Look at our music scene! JUST KIDDING.

Well, it’s incredibly convenient that the only show escaping the effective shutting down of Wesleyan’s student music scene falls during WesFest and is only the most prominent example of said music scene this semester.

And the fact that this is the one event they’re letting slide undermines the stated rationale for banning events in the first place: because of a noise complaint. All this talk about the event that’s being exempt from the Eclectic shut-down… what is it? A talk, an academic lecture, a convention? IT’S A SHOW. A Wes alum band showcase. THAT WILL BE NOISY.

I’m really looking forward to hearing the Student Judicial Board’s rationale behind this in detail, when/if it becomes available. We’ve heard Eclectic’s side of the story, but it’s necessary to get a more complete picture of why the punishment seems so much implausibly harsher than the crime as it’s been described so far.

But from the way it looks now, it just seems that there was a remarkable lack of foresight in the making of this decision. More info as it comes in.

50 thoughts on “SJB’s WesFest Exemption for Eclectic, Revealed

  1. Anonymous

    i didn’t care enough to read the other comments but it’s pretty fucking clear why this would be the time to allow eclectic to have a party. obviously, we want to show prefrosh how good our school’s music is, and if there is one time to go crazy it’s definitely wesfest. get your head out of your ass.

  2. Anonymous

    i didn’t care enough to read the other comments but it’s pretty fucking clear why this would be the time to allow eclectic to have a party. obviously, we want to show prefrosh how good our school’s music is, and if there is one time to go crazy it’s definitely wesfest. get your head out of your ass.

  3. Anonymous

    i agree with the poster who pointed out:ECLECTIC is not the ENTIRE wesleyan music scene. (thank goodness. not all of us love indie rock.)maybe this will be a good chance for non-hipster musicians to establish music series in alternative spaces!

  4. Anonymous

    i agree with the poster who pointed out:

    ECLECTIC is not the ENTIRE wesleyan music scene.

    (thank goodness. not all of us love indie rock.)

    maybe this will be a good chance for non-hipster musicians to establish music series in alternative spaces!

  5. Anonymous

    SJBs are administered to single students, not to an entire society. This is clearly an issue of getting individual release rights. Maybe people don’t want their names all over the internet associating them with with disciplinary action. Has anyone considered that?

  6. Anonymous

    SJBs are administered to single students, not to an entire society. This is clearly an issue of getting individual release rights. Maybe people don’t want their names all over the internet associating them with with disciplinary action. Has anyone considered that?

  7. Anonymous

    3:05 pm – Ok, if it was just noise complaints one night, Eclectic should really authorize the SJB to make the files public. That would only help the cause by making it clear how irrational this ban is. By continuing to be evasive about the details, Eclectic is making themselves look shadier and shadier. They need to be honest with the student body about what happened, which was obviously more than one simple noise complaint. And if it was just one noise complaint, make the files public! I support Eclectic, I love Eclectic events, this ban is stupid, and I want it to be overturned. So help yourselves out, Eclectic, and make all sides of the story clear. I don’t care what actually happened to cause this ban, but until you let it be public you’re going to start sapping the overwhelming student support you’re getting right now.

  8. Anonymous

    3:05 pm – Ok, if it was just noise complaints one night, Eclectic should really authorize the SJB to make the files public. That would only help the cause by making it clear how irrational this ban is.

    By continuing to be evasive about the details, Eclectic is making themselves look shadier and shadier. They need to be honest with the student body about what happened, which was obviously more than one simple noise complaint.

    And if it was just one noise complaint, make the files public!

    I support Eclectic, I love Eclectic events, this ban is stupid, and I want it to be overturned.

    So help yourselves out, Eclectic, and make all sides of the story clear. I don’t care what actually happened to cause this ban, but until you let it be public you’re going to start sapping the overwhelming student support you’re getting right now.

  9. Anonymous

    I am sick of hearing people say, Eclectic really needs to tell us the whole story. THEY DID, THERE WERE NOISE COMPLAINTS ONE NIGHT. If anything else happened it was probably related to beer. What do you guys want to hear? The administration found out the house was actually a meth lab? C’mon now!

  10. Anonymous

    I am sick of hearing people say, Eclectic really needs to tell us the whole story. THEY DID, THERE WERE NOISE COMPLAINTS ONE NIGHT. If anything else happened it was probably related to beer. What do you guys want to hear? The administration found out the house was actually a meth lab? C’mon now!

  11. Anonymous

    At risk of getting completely slammed with negative comments: I take issue with the phrase “effective shutting down of Wesleyan’s student music scene.”The post before this one lists an alumni show at Earth House. A few posts before that there’s the Quasimodal show, and even further back there’s a Westco show.It would be pretty pathetic if the Wesleyan music scene was actually limited to the bands that play Eclectic. Don’t overstate your case, here.

  12. Anonymous

    At risk of getting completely slammed with negative comments: I take issue with the phrase “effective shutting down of Wesleyan’s student music scene.”

    The post before this one lists an alumni show at Earth House. A few posts before that there’s the Quasimodal show, and even further back there’s a Westco show.

    It would be pretty pathetic if the Wesleyan music scene was actually limited to the bands that play Eclectic. Don’t overstate your case, here.

  13. Jenn

    The SJB should be punishing Eclectic and only Eclectic for what Eclectic did. Until the details of the SJB case are revealed, the punishment’s justification is unknown.However, punishing whatever events had the bad luck of using Eclectic as a venue should not be canceled. The university should find new venues for all non-Eclectic events that were to be hosted by Eclectic, such as free STI testing and the WesFest events. If they don’t, then they’ll be punishing organizations and coordinators that are unaffiliated with whatever Eclectic did, as well as the university as a whole. Also, whatever shows that Eclectic scheduled that would cost them money to cancel should still be allowed to come, because otherwise the SJBs punishment would directly cause a secondary monetary punishment upon Eclectic itself, which is also unfair.Personally, I think the university will have no problems finding alternate venues for several non-Eclectic events, and I’m sure there are a few frats who would host certain concerts in Eclectic’s stead. However, keeping certain concerts would be hard. Eclectic, you might want to consider telling the university that the the only was you’ll host the WesFest show [which I know they want to be at Eclectic] if you get to keep at concerts that would cost you money to cancel.

  14. Jenn

    The SJB should be punishing Eclectic and only Eclectic for what Eclectic did. Until the details of the SJB case are revealed, the punishment’s justification is unknown.

    However, punishing whatever events had the bad luck of using Eclectic as a venue should not be canceled. The university should find new venues for all non-Eclectic events that were to be hosted by Eclectic, such as free STI testing and the WesFest events. If they don’t, then they’ll be punishing organizations and coordinators that are unaffiliated with whatever Eclectic did, as well as the university as a whole. Also, whatever shows that Eclectic scheduled that would cost them money to cancel should still be allowed to come, because otherwise the SJBs punishment would directly cause a secondary monetary punishment upon Eclectic itself, which is also unfair.

    Personally, I think the university will have no problems finding alternate venues for several non-Eclectic events, and I’m sure there are a few frats who would host certain concerts in Eclectic’s stead. However, keeping certain concerts would be hard. Eclectic, you might want to consider telling the university that the the only was you’ll host the WesFest show [which I know they want to be at Eclectic] if you get to keep at concerts that would cost you money to cancel.

  15. Anonymous

    All of this about “let’s have more transparency from the SJB” is complete nonsense. They’re bound by confidentiality, and so their side of the story will never come out. Well, that is unless Eclectic wants it to. I’m with 11:46, if this is such an unfair decision, why hasn’t Eclectic wanted all of the facts to be made public?

  16. Anonymous

    All of this about “let’s have more transparency from the SJB” is complete nonsense. They’re bound by confidentiality, and so their side of the story will never come out. Well, that is unless Eclectic wants it to. I’m with 11:46, if this is such an unfair decision, why hasn’t Eclectic wanted all of the facts to be made public?

  17. Hunter

    Quit with the “let’s calmly hear both sides of the story” stuff. The nice civil approach is how Wesleyan repeatedly screws you over. The SJB doesn’t have to tell you shit and it’s completely likely that they won’t, the fiasco will have cooled, and you students will have lost your best venue. The bottom line is that regardless of what the eclectic students did, all students are fucked over and you deserve better, if not this whole thing overturned at least a compromise. If you don’t think it’s your place to question your authority figures then you should be ashamed to call yourself a Wesleyanite. Get pissed, organize a meeting in a real actual building. I’m talking to YOU sitting in that chair, because everybody else is going to assume somebody else will do it and YOU need to go to that meeting, not just assume that there’s enough interest that everybody will do this. Do not post your plans on Wesleying, you dumbass, everybody reads this and armchair activism gets nowhere. This is your school, if this doesn’t get you pissed then what will? I graduated and I’m pissed!

  18. Hunter

    Quit with the “let’s calmly hear both sides of the story” stuff. The nice civil approach is how Wesleyan repeatedly screws you over. The SJB doesn’t have to tell you shit and it’s completely likely that they won’t, the fiasco will have cooled, and you students will have lost your best venue. The bottom line is that regardless of what the eclectic students did, all students are fucked over and you deserve better, if not this whole thing overturned at least a compromise.

    If you don’t think it’s your place to question your authority figures then you should be ashamed to call yourself a Wesleyanite. Get pissed, organize a meeting in a real actual building. I’m talking to YOU sitting in that chair, because everybody else is going to assume somebody else will do it and YOU need to go to that meeting, not just assume that there’s enough interest that everybody will do this. Do not post your plans on Wesleying, you dumbass, everybody reads this and armchair activism gets nowhere. This is your school, if this doesn’t get you pissed then what will? I graduated and I’m pissed!

  19. Anonymous

    Please, Wesleyan is an institution that is FOR PROFIT. Not only that they want to get the best frosh possible so we can stay prestigious. It is obviously a move made to keep the school looking fine and I don’t think we should hurt Wesleyan for preserving itself. Or, you can tell all the prefrosh how much Wesleyan is lying to them so on so forth we get an awful prefrosh class that we have to deal with because we were so idealistic we refused to play the game every other school in the country is going to play. Like everyone else I have no idea why this is happening, but I do know that I have no problem with the exemption for wesfest. Anyway, probably eclectic will be back next year for the frosh right?

  20. Anonymous

    Please, Wesleyan is an institution that is FOR PROFIT. Not only that they want to get the best frosh possible so we can stay prestigious. It is obviously a move made to keep the school looking fine and I don’t think we should hurt Wesleyan for preserving itself. Or, you can tell all the prefrosh how much Wesleyan is lying to them so on so forth we get an awful prefrosh class that we have to deal with because we were so idealistic we refused to play the game every other school in the country is going to play. Like everyone else I have no idea why this is happening, but I do know that I have no problem with the exemption for wesfest. Anyway, probably eclectic will be back next year for the frosh right?

  21. Anonymous

    So what I mean by that is stay biased Wesleying. And really, there are no two ways about the fact that this is eliminating great events to come and the most viable place for music events on campus. If you’ve ever been involved with trying to organize a concert, Wesleyan makes it a real bitch and it just got harder. Those are facts.

  22. Anonymous

    So what I mean by that is stay biased Wesleying. And really, there are no two ways about the fact that this is eliminating great events to come and the most viable place for music events on campus. If you’ve ever been involved with trying to organize a concert, Wesleyan makes it a real bitch and it just got harder. Those are facts.

  23. Anonymous

    Though I know it had no intention of doing so (in fact, I bet they were hoping for the opposite effect), Wesleying sucked the life out of activist culture at Wesleyan. All of a sudden people can bitch from the comfort of their chair instead of holding meetings deciding what to do. You don’t believe me? Then why is the current plan of action “sign an online petition”? Since when have those worked?

  24. Anonymous

    Though I know it had no intention of doing so (in fact, I bet they were hoping for the opposite effect), Wesleying sucked the life out of activist culture at Wesleyan. All of a sudden people can bitch from the comfort of their chair instead of holding meetings deciding what to do. You don’t believe me? Then why is the current plan of action “sign an online petition”? Since when have those worked?

  25. David

    Addressing 2:50 and others with similar feelings:Wesleying attempts to cover life relating to Wesleyan – whether it be day-to-day activities such as events, alumni/real world happenings, or administrative decisions affecting the campus. The enormous influx of comments on these posts (as I write, the 3 posts relating to this have 161 comments combined) are a sign of the significance of this event to the campus. That, coupled with the initial “breaking news” feel of the situation and the lack of many events is the reason for the dominance (3 of the last 7 posts) of the subject.I feel (and hope whoever reads this will agree) that the initial reporting of the subject was done fairly well – it raised the facts given thus far and asked for a calm response (Mad Joy’s post is an extraordinary example of poised, thoughtful commentary). There will obviously be continued updates on this subject up to and probably through Spring Break as more news comes in (info from the SJB or more transparency from Eclectic), and readers can trust that we are sharing as much information on the subject as we are being given. It has always been an important part of Wesleying that its contributors can share their opinions on the subject. Typically, on controversial, multi-post-worthy subjects personal biases will balance out, and a clear general sense of the situation as well as main frames of thought about it will be established – this is productive and positive approach to such subjects. Unfortunately, there has only been vague information given so far, and it has come in waves, resulting a a series of posts that clearly lean one direction. As it stands now, the only non-speculative information given is that Eclectic events are canceled expect for WesFest, and the only reason given has been that it was due to a noise complaint from a while back. All this information has been provided by eclectic, so we are left to discuss it in their frame, and it is a challenge to take a frame against some form of action, whether it be through a petition or Beastie Boys style. As new information comes in, specifically formal statements and explanations giving more details of the ruling, it is likely that the tone of the new posts will reflect the change in the situation. Hopefully those posts will reflect the nature of the situation, encourage calm action, and eventually provide a balanced student perspective on the realities of the situation. (Note: I am a new contributor to Wesleying, but I write this on my own and do not claim to it be the general view of the rest of Wesleying. Also, some of the contributors have posted an enormous number of the Eclectic events, and thus cannot ignore the impact Eclectic has on Wesleyan. This may further explain some of the bias being noticed.)

  26. David

    Addressing 2:50 and others with similar feelings:
    Wesleying attempts to cover life relating to Wesleyan – whether it be day-to-day activities such as events, alumni/real world happenings, or administrative decisions affecting the campus. The enormous influx of comments on these posts (as I write, the 3 posts relating to this have 161 comments combined) are a sign of the significance of this event to the campus. That, coupled with the initial “breaking news” feel of the situation and the lack of many events is the reason for the dominance (3 of the last 7 posts) of the subject.
    I feel (and hope whoever reads this will agree) that the initial reporting of the subject was done fairly well – it raised the facts given thus far and asked for a calm response (Mad Joy’s post is an extraordinary example of poised, thoughtful commentary). There will obviously be continued updates on this subject up to and probably through Spring Break as more news comes in (info from the SJB or more transparency from Eclectic), and readers can trust that we are sharing as much information on the subject as we are being given.
    It has always been an important part of Wesleying that its contributors can share their opinions on the subject. Typically, on controversial, multi-post-worthy subjects personal biases will balance out, and a clear general sense of the situation as well as main frames of thought about it will be established – this is productive and positive approach to such subjects. Unfortunately, there has only been vague information given so far, and it has come in waves, resulting a a series of posts that clearly lean one direction. As it stands now, the only non-speculative information given is that Eclectic events are canceled expect for WesFest, and the only reason given has been that it was due to a noise complaint from a while back. All this information has been provided by eclectic, so we are left to discuss it in their frame, and it is a challenge to take a frame against some form of action, whether it be through a petition or Beastie Boys style.
    As new information comes in, specifically formal statements and explanations giving more details of the ruling, it is likely that the tone of the new posts will reflect the change in the situation. Hopefully those posts will reflect the nature of the situation, encourage calm action, and eventually provide a balanced student perspective on the realities of the situation.
    (Note: I am a new contributor to Wesleying, but I write this on my own and do not claim to it be the general view of the rest of Wesleying.
    Also, some of the contributors have posted an enormous number of the Eclectic events, and thus cannot ignore the impact Eclectic has on Wesleyan. This may further explain some of the bias being noticed.)

  27. Anonymous

    @ 2:50 AMI agree. Anyone speaking with “relative ignorance” with regard to the exact proceedings of the SJB case (ie. at this point, everyone who isn’t a member of Eclectic) should reasonably wait to take sides until Eclectic’s official release of information. We understand that the student body needs to know all of the facts about this situation, which affects us all.-Eclectic member

  28. Anonymous

    @ 2:50 AM

    I agree. Anyone speaking with “relative ignorance” with regard to the exact proceedings of the SJB case (ie. at this point, everyone who isn’t a member of Eclectic) should reasonably wait to take sides until Eclectic’s official release of information. We understand that the student body needs to know all of the facts about this situation, which affects us all.

    -Eclectic member

  29. Anonymous

    agree with 2:50AM. Just because Wesleying is run by students doesn’t mean it should be so biased. And by the way, not all students agree with Eclectic’s petition either. Since we are all relatively ignorant about the whole thing, I don’t think I will believe anyone who tells me to sign the petition because “this concerns the whole Wesleyan community.” That just sounds like a bad cover-up for your own cause.

  30. Anonymous

    agree with 2:50AM. Just because Wesleying is run by students doesn’t mean it should be so biased. And by the way, not all students agree with Eclectic’s petition either. Since we are all relatively ignorant about the whole thing, I don’t think I will believe anyone who tells me to sign the petition because “this concerns the whole Wesleyan community.” That just sounds like a bad cover-up for your own cause.

  31. Anonymous

    I understand that this is really important to a lot of people, and I don’t think that it is something that we should be taking lightly as a community. However, I am kind of concerned about the extent to which it is taking over Wesleying. It doesn’t need to be every other post, and frankly, a little bit of impartiality would be nice. I basically agree with most people who are speaking out against the SJB and in favor of Eclectic. However, we need to keep in mind that most of us are approaching this from a position of relative ignorance. While we all love to hate on the administration, WSA, SJB, MPD, Psafe or whatever other authority figure may be “unjustly oppressing” us, it is important to keep in mind that the most conspiratorial and inflamitory explanation is not always the right one. We shouldn’t always jump to that attractivly inflamitory conclusion.

  32. Anonymous

    I understand that this is really important to a lot of people, and I don’t think that it is something that we should be taking lightly as a community. However, I am kind of concerned about the extent to which it is taking over Wesleying. It doesn’t need to be every other post, and frankly, a little bit of impartiality would be nice.
    I basically agree with most people who are speaking out against the SJB and in favor of Eclectic. However, we need to keep in mind that most of us are approaching this from a position of relative ignorance. While we all love to hate on the administration, WSA, SJB, MPD, Psafe or whatever other authority figure may be “unjustly oppressing” us, it is important to keep in mind that the most conspiratorial and inflamitory explanation is not always the right one. We shouldn’t always jump to that attractivly inflamitory conclusion.

  33. Anonymous

    to whoever posted 1:39 AM, if you feel like SJB might have been justified in a decision that punishes the whole school and want to know the details of what went on why don’t you try asking one of the officers of eclectic personally in an e-mail or just go up to them. you can find who the officers are on their website. also, if you have doubts, dont sign their petition and mind ya business. clearly you think it doesn’t affect you.

  34. Anonymous

    to whoever posted 1:39 AM, if you feel like SJB might have been justified in a decision that punishes the whole school and want to know the details of what went on why don’t you try asking one of the officers of eclectic personally in an e-mail or just go up to them. you can find who the officers are on their website. also, if you have doubts, dont sign their petition and mind ya business. clearly you think it doesn’t affect you.

  35. Anonymous

    It should not take this long for Eclectic to release the details (or at least a good chunk of the information) about the SJB case.I’m getting impatient and a little suspicious.

  36. Anonymous

    It should not take this long for Eclectic to release the details (or at least a good chunk of the information) about the SJB case.

    I’m getting impatient and a little suspicious.

  37. Anonymous

    Keep the wesfest show, distribute information to prefrosh about what a sham it is. Your ability to influence incoming students is one of the few weapons you have, use it!

  38. Anonymous

    Keep the wesfest show, distribute information to prefrosh about what a sham it is. Your ability to influence incoming students is one of the few weapons you have, use it!

  39. Anonymous

    Eclectic,Don’t be the university’s puppet. Cancel the WesFest show like all the rest of the shows have been cancelled. If they want that one back then they can reinstate the rest.

  40. Anonymous

    Eclectic,
    Don’t be the university’s puppet. Cancel the WesFest show like all the rest of the shows have been cancelled. If they want that one back then they can reinstate the rest.

  41. Benjamin Bernstein

    We are currently working on a chronology to give to the Wesleyan public. The reason we haven’t yet is because so many different members have spoken to different people associated in this debate that it’s just impossible to compile all that has been said. We are currently in the process of assembling all the correspondence including the official charge for all to see.Thank you all for your support. On a personal level, it means an incredible amount for someone like me who finds the Wesleyan art and music scene one of the best things to be proud about here.

  42. Benjamin Bernstein

    We are currently working on a chronology to give to the Wesleyan public. The reason we haven’t yet is because so many different members have spoken to different people associated in this debate that it’s just impossible to compile all that has been said. We are currently in the process of assembling all the correspondence including the official charge for all to see.

    Thank you all for your support. On a personal level, it means an incredible amount for someone like me who finds the Wesleyan art and music scene one of the best things to be proud about here.

  43. Anonymous

    the sjb can’t give its rational unless eclectic gives permission for everyone to see the info, so the real question is, WHY has eclectic not let all the students know exactly what went on in the sjb? if it really is as ridiculous a punishment as it sounds than it shouldn’t be that big of a deal for eclectic to let the student body see the sjb info

  44. Anonymous

    the sjb can’t give its rational unless eclectic gives permission for everyone to see the info, so the real question is, WHY has eclectic not let all the students know exactly what went on in the sjb? if it really is as ridiculous a punishment as it sounds than it shouldn’t be that big of a deal for eclectic to let the student body see the sjb info

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