Fire Safety Intrusions Violate Previous Agreement

In a recent email to the student body, WSA Student Affairs Committee chair David Goldman ’12 writes of the recent fire safety inspections and their violation

Last spring, the WSA reached an agreement with Physical Plant and Residential Life on the timing and advanced notification of routine room inspections. Under the agreed upon policy, inspections would take place during a Fire Safety Awareness Month. We felt this was a major step forward in transparency and accountability from Fire Safety. It is also in line with the practices of several of our peer institutions, who provide advance notification of Fire Safety inspections to students.

We were surprised when room inspections began unannounced this fall, disregarding last spring’s agreement. Last week, in a meeting with several administrators from Physical Plant, Residential Life, and Fire Safety, we were informed that the administration had consciously decided to break their agreement with the student body. The WSA was not notified at the time the decision was made to drop Fire Safety Awareness Month, denying us the opportunity to voice student concerns. The WSA will continue to work on Fire Safety issues, but as of now, future inspections will continue to be unannounced.

The WSA believes this decision was motivated by a lack of trust in the student body. This blatant disregard for an agreement with elected student representatives undermines the working relationship for which we all strive; as a WSA leader, I hope we can undo the damage caused by this decision.

Sincerely,

Dave Goldman ’12

Student Affairs Committee Chair, WSA

This is the next chapter in a long struggle between the student body and fire safety, which has continually overstepped their responsibilities (read: to make sure our living spaces are not flammable). For example, fire safety confiscates alcohol from under-age students, and has had students arrested for marijuana possession. Is fire safety within its rights? Should they be respecting their agreement with the WSA?

60 thoughts on “Fire Safety Intrusions Violate Previous Agreement

  1. stdnt

    Yeah people need to be a lot more angry about this. If Fire Safety never planned to announce inspections then they shouldn’t have made the contract in the first place. Suchhhh bullshiiiitttt

  2. stdnt

    Yeah people need to be a lot more angry about this. If Fire Safety never planned to announce inspections then they shouldn’t have made the contract in the first place. Suchhhh bullshiiiitttt

  3. anon

    this is fucking insane. FUCK ROTH. FUCK PSAFE. FUCK FIRE SAFETY. FUCK SCOTT BACKER. FUCK ROTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHH.
    they just want to scam us out of money and have us arrested. someone please fucking murder president roth.

  4. anon

    this is fucking insane. FUCK ROTH. FUCK PSAFE. FUCK FIRE SAFETY. FUCK SCOTT BACKER. FUCK ROTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHH.
    they just want to scam us out of money and have us arrested. someone please fucking murder president roth.

  5. anon

    this is fucking insane. FUCK ROTH. FUCK PSAFE. FUCK FIRE SAFETY. FUCK SCOTT BACKER. FUCK ROTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHH.
    they just want to scam us out of money and have us arrested. someone please fucking murder president roth.

  6. anon

    they broke a written agreement. thats fucked up. but lets stop bitching about it and do it like they used to in the old days: take over a building for a sit-in protest.

  7. anon

    they broke a written agreement. thats fucked up. but lets stop bitching about it and do it like they used to in the old days: take over a building for a sit-in protest.

  8. anon

    they broke a written agreement. thats fucked up. but lets stop bitching about it and do it like they used to in the old days: take over a building for a sit-in protest.

  9. Anonymous

    I agree that the issue is not about people leaving their bongs out and getting in trouble for hot plates. The WSA and Fire Safety sat down and came to an agreement and then Fire Safety broke that agreement without any notification. It’s completely and utterly tyrannical and a unilateral violation of the student body’s rights. The housing contracts that we are forced to sign to go to Wesleyan stipulate that Fire Safety is allowed to abuse us in any number of ways, including charging us absorbent fines for crimes we didn’t commit. Fire safety has a long history of abusing the powerlessness of the student body and, although I’m not surprised that they would do something so utterly fucked up as this, I am outraged. It’s not supposed to be administration vs. students. It’s supposed to be the administration helping students. There will never be good relations between the administration and students until we reach a level of mutual respect and this little stunt set that back a whole lot.

  10. Anonymous

    I agree that the issue is not about people leaving their bongs out and getting in trouble for hot plates. The WSA and Fire Safety sat down and came to an agreement and then Fire Safety broke that agreement without any notification. It’s completely and utterly tyrannical and a unilateral violation of the student body’s rights. The housing contracts that we are forced to sign to go to Wesleyan stipulate that Fire Safety is allowed to abuse us in any number of ways, including charging us absorbent fines for crimes we didn’t commit. Fire safety has a long history of abusing the powerlessness of the student body and, although I’m not surprised that they would do something so utterly fucked up as this, I am outraged. It’s not supposed to be administration vs. students. It’s supposed to be the administration helping students. There will never be good relations between the administration and students until we reach a level of mutual respect and this little stunt set that back a whole lot.

  11. Anonymous

    I agree that the issue is not about people leaving their bongs out and getting in trouble for hot plates. The WSA and Fire Safety sat down and came to an agreement and then Fire Safety broke that agreement without any notification. It’s completely and utterly tyrannical and a unilateral violation of the student body’s rights. The housing contracts that we are forced to sign to go to Wesleyan stipulate that Fire Safety is allowed to abuse us in any number of ways, including charging us absorbent fines for crimes we didn’t commit. Fire safety has a long history of abusing the powerlessness of the student body and, although I’m not surprised that they would do something so utterly fucked up as this, I am outraged. It’s not supposed to be administration vs. students. It’s supposed to be the administration helping students. There will never be good relations between the administration and students until we reach a level of mutual respect and this little stunt set that back a whole lot.

  12. Anonymous

    This is commenter #2 (Anonymous), and wanted to address #8… I’m not an administrator. I’m a senior who is sick and tired of the whiny student body wondering why they can’t leave their bongs out all the time.

    Yes, Fire Safety should have been more forthcoming that they were terminating the agreement forged last semester, but I stand by all of what I said in my previous post.

  13. Anonymous

    This is commenter #2 (Anonymous), and wanted to address #8… I’m not an administrator. I’m a senior who is sick and tired of the whiny student body wondering why they can’t leave their bongs out all the time.

    Yes, Fire Safety should have been more forthcoming that they were terminating the agreement forged last semester, but I stand by all of what I said in my previous post.

  14. Anonymous

    This is commenter #2 (Anonymous), and wanted to address #8… I’m not an administrator. I’m a senior who is sick and tired of the whiny student body wondering why they can’t leave their bongs out all the time.

    Yes, Fire Safety should have been more forthcoming that they were terminating the agreement forged last semester, but I stand by all of what I said in my previous post.

  15. yeah

    how is everyone but braille ignoring the fact that this was a clear violation of an agreement that reveals an utter lack of respect for students and their rights. completely separate form the argument whether fire safety should be reporting any non-fire safety related violations is this huge underlying issue of student/administration relations. i’m think its terribly insulting that they would break an agreement and completely disrespect their realtionship with the wsa and student body.

  16. yeah

    how is everyone but braille ignoring the fact that this was a clear violation of an agreement that reveals an utter lack of respect for students and their rights. completely separate form the argument whether fire safety should be reporting any non-fire safety related violations is this huge underlying issue of student/administration relations. i’m think its terribly insulting that they would break an agreement and completely disrespect their realtionship with the wsa and student body.

  17. yeah

    how is everyone but braille ignoring the fact that this was a clear violation of an agreement that reveals an utter lack of respect for students and their rights. completely separate form the argument whether fire safety should be reporting any non-fire safety related violations is this huge underlying issue of student/administration relations. i’m think its terribly insulting that they would break an agreement and completely disrespect their realtionship with the wsa and student body.

  18. braille

    I don’t think the issue here is whether or not FS’s mission statement includes busting people for drugs. I think the issue here is the unilateral breaking of an agreement with the student body, and the obvious lack of respect and accountability that necessarily implies. All joking about Giant Joint and hir constituency aside, what the hell is the point of a student governing body if the Admin can just abrogate whatever WRITTEN AGREEMENT whenever they feel like it? Fuck that noise. Does anyone want to do an unannounced fire inspection of Roth’s house, looking for tapestries, halogen lights, tampered-with light fixtures or other unsafe items? If you do, please be Sure to document it with a camera. (But Please Don’t.)

  19. braille

    I don’t think the issue here is whether or not FS’s mission statement includes busting people for drugs. I think the issue here is the unilateral breaking of an agreement with the student body, and the obvious lack of respect and accountability that necessarily implies. All joking about Giant Joint and hir constituency aside, what the hell is the point of a student governing body if the Admin can just abrogate whatever WRITTEN AGREEMENT whenever they feel like it? Fuck that noise. Does anyone want to do an unannounced fire inspection of Roth’s house, looking for tapestries, halogen lights, tampered-with light fixtures or other unsafe items? If you do, please be Sure to document it with a camera. (But Please Don’t.)

  20. braille

    I don’t think the issue here is whether or not FS’s mission statement includes busting people for drugs. I think the issue here is the unilateral breaking of an agreement with the student body, and the obvious lack of respect and accountability that necessarily implies. All joking about Giant Joint and hir constituency aside, what the hell is the point of a student governing body if the Admin can just abrogate whatever WRITTEN AGREEMENT whenever they feel like it? Fuck that noise. Does anyone want to do an unannounced fire inspection of Roth’s house, looking for tapestries, halogen lights, tampered-with light fixtures or other unsafe items? If you do, please be Sure to document it with a camera. (But Please Don’t.)

  21. anon

    MPD hates dealing with inconsequential shit like marijuana possession. They have much better things to worry about than a couple grams of headies in some westco dorm room.

    You can claim that they are only doing what they have to in order to protect their residences, but thats serious bullshit. Its shameful what they force students to agree to in the housing contract (compared to, say, what every other landlord in the country would expect, because reslife/FS is essentially your overpriced, over-empowered landlord in this circumstance), particularly considering you are (almost always) REQUIRED to sign/live on campus if you want to attend the school. We are all legal adults, but we are treated like children at sleep away camp.

    At the VERY LEAST I would expect them to tell you what week they might be coming to inspect, any tenant should expect that from a landlord.

    as an aside, I smell some administrative rats in these comments. I would expect most of the student body to be pretty pissed about this and the comments don’t seem to reflect that.

  22. anon

    MPD hates dealing with inconsequential shit like marijuana possession. They have much better things to worry about than a couple grams of headies in some westco dorm room.

    You can claim that they are only doing what they have to in order to protect their residences, but thats serious bullshit. Its shameful what they force students to agree to in the housing contract (compared to, say, what every other landlord in the country would expect, because reslife/FS is essentially your overpriced, over-empowered landlord in this circumstance), particularly considering you are (almost always) REQUIRED to sign/live on campus if you want to attend the school. We are all legal adults, but we are treated like children at sleep away camp.

    At the VERY LEAST I would expect them to tell you what week they might be coming to inspect, any tenant should expect that from a landlord.

    as an aside, I smell some administrative rats in these comments. I would expect most of the student body to be pretty pissed about this and the comments don’t seem to reflect that.

  23. anon

    MPD hates dealing with inconsequential shit like marijuana possession. They have much better things to worry about than a couple grams of headies in some westco dorm room.

    You can claim that they are only doing what they have to in order to protect their residences, but thats serious bullshit. Its shameful what they force students to agree to in the housing contract (compared to, say, what every other landlord in the country would expect, because reslife/FS is essentially your overpriced, over-empowered landlord in this circumstance), particularly considering you are (almost always) REQUIRED to sign/live on campus if you want to attend the school. We are all legal adults, but we are treated like children at sleep away camp.

    At the VERY LEAST I would expect them to tell you what week they might be coming to inspect, any tenant should expect that from a landlord.

    as an aside, I smell some administrative rats in these comments. I would expect most of the student body to be pretty pissed about this and the comments don’t seem to reflect that.

  24. sahm Post author

    its true I might be demonizing fire safety a bit here. I was present once when fire safety was calling MPD, and one person said “we tell them to just keep it out of eyesight.” At the same time, I’ve also heard stories of Fire Safety forcing students to reveal pot they have hidden.

    Maybe I’m just bitter from when FS forced me to take a couch off my roof

  25. sahm

    its true I might be demonizing fire safety a bit here. I was present once when fire safety was calling MPD, and one person said “we tell them to just keep it out of eyesight.” At the same time, I’ve also heard stories of Fire Safety forcing students to reveal pot they have hidden.

    Maybe I’m just bitter from when FS forced me to take a couch off my roof

  26. sahm

    its true I might be demonizing fire safety a bit here. I was present once when fire safety was calling MPD, and one person said “we tell them to just keep it out of eyesight.” At the same time, I’ve also heard stories of Fire Safety forcing students to reveal pot they have hidden.

    Maybe I’m just bitter from when FS forced me to take a couch off my roof

  27. anon's a moron

    @anon: except hotplates can light stuff on fire. and do, all the time.
    there’s logical reasons for all these rules even if you dont agree with them

  28. anon's a moron

    @anon: except hotplates can light stuff on fire. and do, all the time.
    there’s logical reasons for all these rules even if you dont agree with them

  29. anon's a moron

    @anon: except hotplates can light stuff on fire. and do, all the time.
    there’s logical reasons for all these rules even if you dont agree with them

  30. joe

    yeah, sorry sahm, but this is a really stupid argument. Fire Safety, like every other administrative group on campus, reports violations of the CNAC when they see them. It’s not what they’re specifically looking for, but its what they have to do. It’s in fact completely in line with their responsibilities, not overstepping them.

    For example, if you call Psafe because someone stole something from your room and they come and see pot on the desk, yeah, you’re getting in trouble.

    If your RA comes in because there’s a noise violation and you’re all drinking underage, yeah, you’re getting in trouble.

    If Fire Safety comes to see if you have anything flammable and there’s a bong out…get the picture?

  31. anon

    ^Whose side are you on, idiot? It’s not just drugs and alcohol, people have stuff that really doesn’t matter like hotplates that they can get charged bigtime for…

  32. joe

    yeah, sorry sahm, but this is a really stupid argument. Fire Safety, like every other administrative group on campus, reports violations of the CNAC when they see them. It’s not what they’re specifically looking for, but its what they have to do. It’s in fact completely in line with their responsibilities, not overstepping them.

    For example, if you call Psafe because someone stole something from your room and they come and see pot on the desk, yeah, you’re getting in trouble.

    If your RA comes in because there’s a noise violation and you’re all drinking underage, yeah, you’re getting in trouble.

    If Fire Safety comes to see if you have anything flammable and there’s a bong out…get the picture?

  33. joe

    yeah, sorry sahm, but this is a really stupid argument. Fire Safety, like every other administrative group on campus, reports violations of the CNAC when they see them. It’s not what they’re specifically looking for, but its what they have to do. It’s in fact completely in line with their responsibilities, not overstepping them.

    For example, if you call Psafe because someone stole something from your room and they come and see pot on the desk, yeah, you’re getting in trouble.

    If your RA comes in because there’s a noise violation and you’re all drinking underage, yeah, you’re getting in trouble.

    If Fire Safety comes to see if you have anything flammable and there’s a bong out…get the picture?

  34. anon

    ^Whose side are you on, idiot? It’s not just drugs and alcohol, people have stuff that really doesn’t matter like hotplates that they can get charged bigtime for…

  35. anon

    ^Whose side are you on, idiot? It’s not just drugs and alcohol, people have stuff that really doesn’t matter like hotplates that they can get charged bigtime for…

  36. anonymous2

    Anonymous brings up good points, but still, I wish that:

    a. Christine Cruz were a nicer person
    2. Fire safety wouldn’t pretend that they would announce inspections. There’s no way they would have ever done it, why raise the hopes of the students?

  37. anonymous2

    Anonymous brings up good points, but still, I wish that:

    a. Christine Cruz were a nicer person
    2. Fire safety wouldn’t pretend that they would announce inspections. There’s no way they would have ever done it, why raise the hopes of the students?

  38. anonymous2

    Anonymous brings up good points, but still, I wish that:

    a. Christine Cruz were a nicer person
    2. Fire safety wouldn’t pretend that they would announce inspections. There’s no way they would have ever done it, why raise the hopes of the students?

  39. Anonymous

    if people weren’t stupid enough to leave drugs and alcohol out in the open, there wouldn’t be a problem.

    oh and yeah, the whole point of unanounced inspections is so they can actually catch you with something that could catch fire. if you know they’re coming, you will take the violation down for the day, only to put it back up the next day.

    unanounced keeps the violation from ever being put up in the first place.

    and due, just hide the drugs and alcohol when not being used. NOT. THAT. HARD. TO. FIGURE. OUT.

    I dont see what the problem is here, people. really.

  40. Anonymous

    if people weren’t stupid enough to leave drugs and alcohol out in the open, there wouldn’t be a problem.

    oh and yeah, the whole point of unanounced inspections is so they can actually catch you with something that could catch fire. if you know they’re coming, you will take the violation down for the day, only to put it back up the next day.

    unanounced keeps the violation from ever being put up in the first place.

    and due, just hide the drugs and alcohol when not being used. NOT. THAT. HARD. TO. FIGURE. OUT.

    I dont see what the problem is here, people. really.

  41. Anonymous

    if people weren’t stupid enough to leave drugs and alcohol out in the open, there wouldn’t be a problem.

    oh and yeah, the whole point of unanounced inspections is so they can actually catch you with something that could catch fire. if you know they’re coming, you will take the violation down for the day, only to put it back up the next day.

    unanounced keeps the violation from ever being put up in the first place.

    and due, just hide the drugs and alcohol when not being used. NOT. THAT. HARD. TO. FIGURE. OUT.

    I dont see what the problem is here, people. really.

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