Why I Chose to Vote “No” on the Senior Cocks proposal

UPDATE: Read the email sent to the senior class here.

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As many of you have heard, the senior class presidents recently emailed all members of the senior class with a proposal to cancel the next senior cocks and instead donate the $15,000 allotted to that event for relief efforts in Haiti. That email was sent out on Monday and we have until today (Wednesday) to vote on it.

In the days since, a facebook group has been created and a pretty heated discussion has developed on the ACB. In the midst of Haiti hysteria (fueled partly by compassion and partly by a perverse interest in large scale destruction), the overwhelming majority of discussions have centered on how people can help more than they already have and how what has been done is nowhere near enough. It has become our responsibility and moral duty to get involved and help a people who have already been dealt more misfortune than we can even understand by giving up some of our excess.

Wesleyan students were impressively quick in organizing themselves to come up with strategies for aiding the relief efforts. That is commendable and I really hope that they are successful in their mission. However, this hastily made proposal to cancel senior cocks, has brought out a lot of knee-jerk reactions to vote “Yes” from people who sincerely want to help any way possible and people who were never really behind the idea of senior cocks anyway.

I know I, and many others, don’t appreciate being made to choose essentially between partying and donating to charity. That’s a choice I make every time I party and don’t donate money, but now there is a lot of social pressure to vote a certain way. This post is a chance for me to express what appears to be a very unfavorable opinion that a surprising amount of people share. I also hope this can open up discussion.

(I hope you’re all over the age of 16, ’cause there’s gonna be a lot of cocks in this post.)

The Survey is Flawed

  1. 3 days is not enough time. I’m not sure what the rush is about here. Of course, the date for the planned February cocks is coming up, but considering that the proposal is about changing those plans, I don’t see how having at least a full week would create any time crunch. Some would say that it’s important to act quickly so we could get money to Haiti quickly but there’s probably more money coming in than they can use right now (for most major orgs).  Having only 3 days to make this decision means that there wasn’t much time to get an actual discussion going, which is one of the major problems with the whole proposal.
  2. Anyone can vote. Not everyone in the senior class paid for cocktails, yet they all got the email with the link to the survey. As a matter of fact, anybody who checks out the facebook group can click the link and vote too. I do not feel comfortable letting my money’s use be decided with a survey that allows people who put in no money to be involved in making the decision. This is a really sloppy way to make decisions about where to put funds. I would expect people experienced with managing a lot of other people’s money wouldn’t let this kind of situation happen with the voting.
  3. Yes or No is not enough. The cute “Feel free to explain why/why not” box is pretty much just there for show. The options are “Yes” and “No” and there is no place for discussion or opposition that will actually change the proposal. When, I voted “No” I didn’t write anything because there didn’t seem to be a point. Student opinion here is pretty much limited to two one-word options, which is insulting to our intelligence and ability to think in more nuanced ways about issues.

Where Does This Put Cocktails?

  1. Are they completely frivolous? The general reason given for why we should donate the senior cocktail funds is usually that cocks is just one night of drinking and it’s really an example of waste and excess. I can definitely see where that argument is coming from, but I already kinda knew this when I decided to pay for them in the first place. Having cocks be put up against donating to a needy country makes it look all the more wasteful and unnecessary. I know that not everybody goes to cocks for the same reason, but having the event be so easily dismissed as expendable and even an embarrassing display of drunken excess, makes me wonder if anyone can ever make a real argument for why we should have them without looking like an ignorant binge drinker. The money spent on cocktails never wasn’t being spent on having a good drunken time even though most of us would probably have agreed that there were other more useful ways that money could be spent. That is all to say that this raises a bigger issue about why we pay for the event and how comfortable we feel about that. If you did not hesitate at all to give up this event, why pay for it in the first place?
  2. Bonding is important too! Part of what makes cocks worth the money was that I got to be with most of my friends for a few hours and even get a chance to meet new people. It was really cool meeting people on the bus and just having fun. That was worth the money I paid, in my opinion. In other words, I was never paying for just useless debauchery. That’s kinda an every weekend thing. The fact that no alternate plans for how we might get to spend that time together as a class were proposed or even mentioned as a concern gives me the impression that the senior class officers see cocktails as little more than drinking. I could definitely be wrong and I wouldn’t be stupid enough to claim to know what they’re thinking or planning but that’s the impression I’m getting.
  3. We CAN unite in charity. I think it’s a wonderful idea to bring us all together to do a good thing, but what’s the value of doing it this way? I guess we can say we were selfless enough to give up a night of drinking off campus, but the only people giving it up are the people who were “wasteful” enough to pay for it in the first place. I guess this is redemption? What about efforts to get the entire class involved not just the people who paid for cocks. Theoretically, we could still have cocks this February and have everyone who goes choose whether they want to pledge whatever amount as part of a class-wide or even school-wide event. A LOT more money would be raised that way and we wouldn’t have to give into the false choice of “giving up” something we enjoy and helping people.
  4. Just a stockpile of money? Not only is cocktails being talked about as a stupid night of drinking it’s also being thrown around as a source of a lot of money that is just sitting there. The reality is that the money is the investments that students made to have a good time with their peers throughout the year. This isn’t just a sum of money used to pay for cocktails, it’s money from several hundred students. I didn’t pay with the intention of contributing to a fund of $15,000, I paid for myself to have a good time. It’s annoying to me that every individual’s money together is now being treated as everyone’s money that can be spent according to majority vote. Of course, it’s a very glamorous idea to be donating a lump sum of $15,000, but I don’t think we should be seduced by the gratification that comes with giving 5 figures so much so that we forget that the money is a lot of $20’s.

What I Think Should/Could Happen Next

  1. Scrap the flawed survey and throw out the completely invalid results.
  2. Hold some kind of forum where students can propose and discuss ideas with the senior class officers.
  3. Apparently, there are traditionally 2 (or 3?) senior cocks during Senior Week. If things are gonna be done by proposal and survey vote, at least make it an option to cancel one of those instead of the February one.

So that’s what I have to say about that. I know not everybody agrees with everything I said, or some people could even agree and still feel that voting “Yes” was the best way to go. That’s all fine. But the important thing here is that we recognize that these kinds of decisions are worthy of discussion (in the comments below is a good place for it!). And that even people with charitable intentions need to be held accountable for making sure that students have input and that decisions about where the money will go are made fairly. As it is now, the proposal has already been made and if the proposal gets voted down we’ll probably be known as the class who couldn’t give up drinking for Haiti. That’s a ridiculous position that we’ve been put in.

BTW, that picture up there is from 2008 after hurricanes Ike and Hanna hit Haiti.

Oh, and for the record- I’m getting the refund and donating it to an organization of my choosing.

141 thoughts on “Why I Chose to Vote “No” on the Senior Cocks proposal

  1. student

    im completely shocked that, no matter what we see in the world around us, Wesleyan students still feel that pointing out hypocrisies and flaws in other people’s actions is more important than actually doing something just. Using the money for Haiti vs. the party is absolutely not a “false dichotomy.” I have no idea how you guys are all going to have fun at this event.

  2. student

    im completely shocked that, no matter what we see in the world around us, Wesleyan students still feel that pointing out hypocrisies and flaws in other people’s actions is more important than actually doing something just. Using the money for Haiti vs. the party is absolutely not a “false dichotomy.” I have no idea how you guys are all going to have fun at this event.

  3. sg

    YEAH — 22. you’re very right. it’s the same money anyway! and at least this way we’d be losing a fun even in the midst of a billion other fun events, so the impact wouldn’t be as intense… plus, we’d get to deliberate more on the issue.

  4. sg

    YEAH — 22. you’re very right. it’s the same money anyway! and at least this way we’d be losing a fun even in the midst of a billion other fun events, so the impact wouldn’t be as intense… plus, we’d get to deliberate more on the issue.

  5. anonymouse

    Agree that this is a great post.

    And, on a practical level, I REALLY agree that we should have the option to give up a senior week cocktails instead of this one. On a selfish level, I’d be far happier giving up one of those.

  6. anonymouse

    Agree that this is a great post.

    And, on a practical level, I REALLY agree that we should have the option to give up a senior week cocktails instead of this one. On a selfish level, I’d be far happier giving up one of those.

  7. whatshername

    To #18- don’t be so quick to assume that the stuff in bold was for you. Some people don’t wanna read through so much text, so I put parts in bold so they could get the main points in a few seconds. I don’t doubt your reading comprehension skills.

    To #19 + #20- math is definitely not my strength at all, but you both raise an important point about how much we know about the way money is used for cocks. Back in September, I was fine just paying and letting the senior class officers deal with the figures, but I really should have asked questions. I’m sure that there is SBC money involved and I wish there had been more transparency about the way the events are run. After this fiasco, an explanation of how senior cocks are paid for is definitely in order.

  8. whatshername

    To #18- don’t be so quick to assume that the stuff in bold was for you. Some people don’t wanna read through so much text, so I put parts in bold so they could get the main points in a few seconds. I don’t doubt your reading comprehension skills.

    To #19 + #20- math is definitely not my strength at all, but you both raise an important point about how much we know about the way money is used for cocks. Back in September, I was fine just paying and letting the senior class officers deal with the figures, but I really should have asked questions. I’m sure that there is SBC money involved and I wish there had been more transparency about the way the events are run. After this fiasco, an explanation of how senior cocks are paid for is definitely in order.

  9. Question

    A quick question:
    I was under the impression that the students pay about $160 for 6 parties, but that this alone doesn’t cover the cost of the parties; as far as I can understand, the SBC covers some portion of the parties as well.
    I may be misinformed.
    But if I’m not, why not raise the price of the parties by some amount of money and donate the money that the SBC fronts to some charity? That way, it’s the University’s money that gets donated, and the Senior’s money that goes directly to the parties.
    I understand that in the grand scheme of things the University’s money is “our” money, but why not simply raise the admission price a bit? Wouldn’t that fix things a bit?

  10. Question

    A quick question:
    I was under the impression that the students pay about $160 for 6 parties, but that this alone doesn’t cover the cost of the parties; as far as I can understand, the SBC covers some portion of the parties as well.
    I may be misinformed.
    But if I’m not, why not raise the price of the parties by some amount of money and donate the money that the SBC fronts to some charity? That way, it’s the University’s money that gets donated, and the Senior’s money that goes directly to the parties.
    I understand that in the grand scheme of things the University’s money is “our” money, but why not simply raise the admission price a bit? Wouldn’t that fix things a bit?

  11. anon

    I am a senior, and I just want to point out a problem using some mathematics.

    1)
    We paid $160 for 6 parties.
    160/6 = 26.67
    And our options? Either donate $20 or anonymously get reimbursed with $20. So where did the $6.67 went? Into who’s pockets? Why did it disappear?

    2)
    The purpose of the committee is to organize the senior cocktails. NO ONE is to decide what they should DO with our own money. Drawing on the recent incident on Wesleyan’s CFO, we should be extra cautious about how institutions or other people should deal with money.

  12. anon

    I am a senior, and I just want to point out a problem using some mathematics.

    1)
    We paid $160 for 6 parties.
    160/6 = 26.67
    And our options? Either donate $20 or anonymously get reimbursed with $20. So where did the $6.67 went? Into who’s pockets? Why did it disappear?

    2)
    The purpose of the committee is to organize the senior cocktails. NO ONE is to decide what they should DO with our own money. Drawing on the recent incident on Wesleyan’s CFO, we should be extra cautious about how institutions or other people should deal with money.

  13. anon '10

    I just want to say that it is also “insulting to our intelligence” to put important parts of your post in bold. If well written, we should be able to figure out your point and emphasis without obnoxious-looking formatting.

    I do appreciate the discussion here, however! I personally voted yes simply because now that the possibility exists, who could really enjoy the event? Now that the event is functionally hosed, why not donate the money?

  14. anon '10

    I just want to say that it is also “insulting to our intelligence” to put important parts of your post in bold. If well written, we should be able to figure out your point and emphasis without obnoxious-looking formatting.

    I do appreciate the discussion here, however! I personally voted yes simply because now that the possibility exists, who could really enjoy the event? Now that the event is functionally hosed, why not donate the money?

  15. can't it be both?

    What’d we spend per party on our ticket package, $22? Why cancel the party (as it’s going to be, knowing how most people will react) for everyone, when NOT everyone wants to donate (sorry, call me a bad person) when you could just donate yourself? Better yet, organize the crap out of it, spam the senior class to high hell and organize. But, you can’t make people donate their share. This means you’re canceling the party for no reason so that people who would already donate are donating. Scrape together 10 bucks and donate that to a charity while not getting rid of the party against the will of those who want it. That’s very shady and kind of obnoxious, especially with little warning.

    Super good post, OP.

  16. can't it be both?

    What’d we spend per party on our ticket package, $22? Why cancel the party (as it’s going to be, knowing how most people will react) for everyone, when NOT everyone wants to donate (sorry, call me a bad person) when you could just donate yourself? Better yet, organize the crap out of it, spam the senior class to high hell and organize. But, you can’t make people donate their share. This means you’re canceling the party for no reason so that people who would already donate are donating. Scrape together 10 bucks and donate that to a charity while not getting rid of the party against the will of those who want it. That’s very shady and kind of obnoxious, especially with little warning.

    Super good post, OP.

  17. H5N1

    i feel that #7, #12, and #14 make especially good points, but most of all agree with #1; this is the kind of extremely well thought-out post on a close-to-home/contentious topic that you might see once in a blue moon on the acb, and even more rarely (sadly) on wesleying.
    not to discredit wesleying’s usual covering of campus events and wesleyan-related goings-on, which is often witty and interesting, but it could certainly be improved through more content like the above. wesleying could certainly set up a weekly editorial or piece such as this one, as it would probably make everyone more interested in the blog, as well as create a lot more stimulating debates such as the ones here.

  18. H5N1

    i feel that #7, #12, and #14 make especially good points, but most of all agree with #1; this is the kind of extremely well thought-out post on a close-to-home/contentious topic that you might see once in a blue moon on the acb, and even more rarely (sadly) on wesleying.
    not to discredit wesleying’s usual covering of campus events and wesleyan-related goings-on, which is often witty and interesting, but it could certainly be improved through more content like the above. wesleying could certainly set up a weekly editorial or piece such as this one, as it would probably make everyone more interested in the blog, as well as create a lot more stimulating debates such as the ones here.

  19. anon

    Thank you very much for writing this. As many have said before me, this is one of the best and most well written posts on Wesleying. I appreciate the opportunity to say that I did vote Yes to donating the money, but all the while wishing there were other options. That kind of pressure to say yes is not what donating is about. I wish I had the guts to do what you did. Thank you.

  20. anon

    Thank you very much for writing this. As many have said before me, this is one of the best and most well written posts on Wesleying. I appreciate the opportunity to say that I did vote Yes to donating the money, but all the while wishing there were other options. That kind of pressure to say yes is not what donating is about. I wish I had the guts to do what you did. Thank you.

  21. anon

    There are always people who need help. Cancelling this senior cocktail with the idea of using the money to help a (very important) cause could be just the footstep to canceling them altogether in the future and just donating to charity.

    And clearly there’s a purpose to them as there is to most “selfish” things we do. Coming to Wesleyan was hard for that reason; how can you go to a $50,000 school without at least thinking about how much that money could do elsewhere? But we did. And hopefully we’ll find other ways to give back, constantly, all the time, but I agree with the author in that there are far better ways to earn money that make students AWARE of how important their own help is (rather than their parents as 13 pointed out).

  22. anon

    There are always people who need help. Cancelling this senior cocktail with the idea of using the money to help a (very important) cause could be just the footstep to canceling them altogether in the future and just donating to charity.

    And clearly there’s a purpose to them as there is to most “selfish” things we do. Coming to Wesleyan was hard for that reason; how can you go to a $50,000 school without at least thinking about how much that money could do elsewhere? But we did. And hopefully we’ll find other ways to give back, constantly, all the time, but I agree with the author in that there are far better ways to earn money that make students AWARE of how important their own help is (rather than their parents as 13 pointed out).

  23. another senior

    Nobody seems to have mentioned that we paid for cocktails through our student accounts. Some of us are voting on the allocation of money that isn’t ours.

    Would your parents care if the money was donated instead of spent on a party? Probably not.

    Has this fact made it easier for some people to vote “yes”? Almost certainly.

    Should the donation feel less meaningful to you if it comes from an account paid by someone else? Yes.

  24. another senior

    Nobody seems to have mentioned that we paid for cocktails through our student accounts. Some of us are voting on the allocation of money that isn’t ours.

    Would your parents care if the money was donated instead of spent on a party? Probably not.

    Has this fact made it easier for some people to vote “yes”? Almost certainly.

    Should the donation feel less meaningful to you if it comes from an account paid by someone else? Yes.

  25. ++++

    I’m not a senior. I agree that spending money on cocks does not make you a bad person, since if that were the case, then spending money (or other resources, such as time) on ANYTHING instead of helping needy others makes you a bad person.
    BUT, besides the symbolism of the act (which has already been mentioned), the email and vote is motivating people to donate who otherwise wouldn’t’ve. Though everyone is upset about the situation in Haiti, NOT everyone gets confronted with (an incredibly easy) opportunity to donate. This motivation makes the tragedy all the more real. And even if people vote against canceling cocks in favor of donating, they might still come away with more of a feeling of moral obligation to the people of Haiti (and other less-fortunate peoples, by extension). People are not obligated to not have fun, but polling the student body can (rightly) put a heavy weight on their minds. No, no (average, financially responsible) person should have to sacrifice something noticeable from their lives, but most everyone could afford to lose an unnoticed $10 sitting in their bank account.

  26. ++++

    I’m not a senior. I agree that spending money on cocks does not make you a bad person, since if that were the case, then spending money (or other resources, such as time) on ANYTHING instead of helping needy others makes you a bad person.
    BUT, besides the symbolism of the act (which has already been mentioned), the email and vote is motivating people to donate who otherwise wouldn’t’ve. Though everyone is upset about the situation in Haiti, NOT everyone gets confronted with (an incredibly easy) opportunity to donate. This motivation makes the tragedy all the more real. And even if people vote against canceling cocks in favor of donating, they might still come away with more of a feeling of moral obligation to the people of Haiti (and other less-fortunate peoples, by extension). People are not obligated to not have fun, but polling the student body can (rightly) put a heavy weight on their minds. No, no (average, financially responsible) person should have to sacrifice something noticeable from their lives, but most everyone could afford to lose an unnoticed $10 sitting in their bank account.

  27. ugh lord

    this is NOT an issue of whether you think the social pressure of the poll is fair, or whether the donation is made to seem more glamorous than it actually is, or whether you think a poll like this insults the idea of senior cocks, or whether you agree with the ethical/social principles behind the concept of donating money in this way.
    the only question is whether you’d rather have your money be spent on senior cocks or whether you’d want it to go to haiti.
    if you prefer to send it to senior cocks, that’s 1000% fine – maybe you donated to haiti already or something. but don’t vote “no” and justify it with bs that makes yourself feel better.

  28. ugh lord

    this is NOT an issue of whether you think the social pressure of the poll is fair, or whether the donation is made to seem more glamorous than it actually is, or whether you think a poll like this insults the idea of senior cocks, or whether you agree with the ethical/social principles behind the concept of donating money in this way.
    the only question is whether you’d rather have your money be spent on senior cocks or whether you’d want it to go to haiti.
    if you prefer to send it to senior cocks, that’s 1000% fine – maybe you donated to haiti already or something. but don’t vote “no” and justify it with bs that makes yourself feel better.

  29. eyebrowlover

    a few things:

    the point about “redemption” = rhetorical genius. i think this is where most of the social pressure stems from. the choice to NOT give up partying when you could be “potentially saving lives” is what lots of people have been calling “shameful” — and it does seem shameful, right!? How could it not!? Talk about a leading question…

    I, incidentally, voted YES. I agree with the poster – this whole thing is a bit unsavory. BUT I kind of admire the haste of it all, and the limited choice. I feel like benefit events around here, and everywhere, tend to be too wrapped up in the EVENT and the EXPERIENCE instead of just sending the goddamn money. Getting together to support a cause – and spreading awareness – are important, but seem self-indulgent when the really CRUCIAL thing is to SEND THE GODDAMN MONEY!

    The choice to forego cocktails was not a GOOD one for me; I didn’t even feel GOOD after choosing it (on the contrast, I felt somewhat good donating money on my OWN to the cause). BUT this is kind of what’s special about it. It’s the first time I’ve been involved (albeit pretty indirectly) in donating a SIGNIFICANT sum of money to a cause, and pretty HASTILY – without spending a lot of time or effort to advertise an event, organize shit, or even talk to anyone. That’s what I like about this plan (that is, if it passes) — it’s GETTING THE GODDAMN MONEY OVER THERE, and that’s the bottom line.

    This is something, I feel, that doesn’t happen very much at Wesleyan – or anywhere.

  30. eyebrowlover

    a few things:

    the point about “redemption” = rhetorical genius. i think this is where most of the social pressure stems from. the choice to NOT give up partying when you could be “potentially saving lives” is what lots of people have been calling “shameful” — and it does seem shameful, right!? How could it not!? Talk about a leading question…

    I, incidentally, voted YES. I agree with the poster – this whole thing is a bit unsavory. BUT I kind of admire the haste of it all, and the limited choice. I feel like benefit events around here, and everywhere, tend to be too wrapped up in the EVENT and the EXPERIENCE instead of just sending the goddamn money. Getting together to support a cause – and spreading awareness – are important, but seem self-indulgent when the really CRUCIAL thing is to SEND THE GODDAMN MONEY!

    The choice to forego cocktails was not a GOOD one for me; I didn’t even feel GOOD after choosing it (on the contrast, I felt somewhat good donating money on my OWN to the cause). BUT this is kind of what’s special about it. It’s the first time I’ve been involved (albeit pretty indirectly) in donating a SIGNIFICANT sum of money to a cause, and pretty HASTILY – without spending a lot of time or effort to advertise an event, organize shit, or even talk to anyone. That’s what I like about this plan (that is, if it passes) — it’s GETTING THE GODDAMN MONEY OVER THERE, and that’s the bottom line.

    This is something, I feel, that doesn’t happen very much at Wesleyan – or anywhere.

  31. whatshername

    Thanks to everyone who is adding thoughtful comments (even if you disagree with me)- keep it up!

    To commenters #3 and #4- you actually reminded me that I forgot to mention in my post that ad hominems really have no place here as they ADD NOTHING to the conversation. If anything they only alienate people who would otherwise agree with you. They also weaken your argument (if you even have one).

  32. whatshername

    Thanks to everyone who is adding thoughtful comments (even if you disagree with me)- keep it up!

    To commenters #3 and #4- you actually reminded me that I forgot to mention in my post that ad hominems really have no place here as they ADD NOTHING to the conversation. If anything they only alienate people who would otherwise agree with you. They also weaken your argument (if you even have one).

  33. Another Anon '10

    Comments 3 and 4 are wholly wrong and their hostility and derision is completely unnecessary. The poster is correct that the survey is flawed and will almost certainly fail to grasp the senior class’ true opinion. However, it is entirely unfair to claim that the poster is “privileging one night with your friends over potentially saving lives”, and there is certainly no reason to be ashamed, as the poster clearly affirmed their commitment to helping Haiti.

    Many of my fellow seniors seem to believe that there is some symbolic benefit to forgoing cocktails, which is why this hasty plan must be seen through. The truth is, the charities, and more importantly the people of Haiti, could not care less about some Wesleyan tradition; they care about getting the donations in and using them to help people. If we want to make a statement as a class, it needs to be more organized.

  34. Another Anon '10

    Comments 3 and 4 are wholly wrong and their hostility and derision is completely unnecessary. The poster is correct that the survey is flawed and will almost certainly fail to grasp the senior class’ true opinion. However, it is entirely unfair to claim that the poster is “privileging one night with your friends over potentially saving lives”, and there is certainly no reason to be ashamed, as the poster clearly affirmed their commitment to helping Haiti.

    Many of my fellow seniors seem to believe that there is some symbolic benefit to forgoing cocktails, which is why this hasty plan must be seen through. The truth is, the charities, and more importantly the people of Haiti, could not care less about some Wesleyan tradition; they care about getting the donations in and using them to help people. If we want to make a statement as a class, it needs to be more organized.

  35. except

    Commenters 3 &4 are relying on a false dichotomy that falls apart really quickly. Why are they posting on Wesleying rather than helping out Haiti? Why havent they pawned their computers and sent the money to Haiti for instance? Why are they choosing to do anything other than directly help out other people rather than help out other people?

    There’s no reason why we cant help Haiti and have Cocktails; many of us have already donated time and money for things already and will continue to do so. To present a false choice like this is unfair and dishonest.

  36. except

    Commenters 3 &4 are relying on a false dichotomy that falls apart really quickly. Why are they posting on Wesleying rather than helping out Haiti? Why havent they pawned their computers and sent the money to Haiti for instance? Why are they choosing to do anything other than directly help out other people rather than help out other people?

    There’s no reason why we cant help Haiti and have Cocktails; many of us have already donated time and money for things already and will continue to do so. To present a false choice like this is unfair and dishonest.

  37. A no vote

    I agree with the post and I am voting “No.” It is very well written–thank you for sharing.

    I would also like to add a few points: why is it that we feel throwing our money at an organization would help at all? Where would the accountability in that be? I feel the relief money is fueling yet another US occupation of a country. In no way am I saying there isn’t a constructive way to help haiti survivors: I am arguing that throwing money towards the Haitian occupation is NOT the way to go.

  38. A no vote

    I agree with the post and I am voting “No.” It is very well written–thank you for sharing.

    I would also like to add a few points: why is it that we feel throwing our money at an organization would help at all? Where would the accountability in that be? I feel the relief money is fueling yet another US occupation of a country. In no way am I saying there isn’t a constructive way to help haiti survivors: I am arguing that throwing money towards the Haitian occupation is NOT the way to go.

  39. A Yes Vote

    Yes, the senior class proposal was rather sloppy but I applaud the motivation. No, we do not need cocktails.
    Perhaps, there could be a senior student forum discussing which organizations should receive the money (that way you could contribute to a foundation of choice; I would recommend lots of smaller-scale partnerships that have existed successfully for a significant amount of time, are not religiously affiliated and promote long-term local sustainability).
    Also, to keep in mind: “If you have come to help me you are wasting your time, but if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine then let us work together.” -Australian Aboriginal Collective

  40. A Yes Vote

    Yes, the senior class proposal was rather sloppy but I applaud the motivation. No, we do not need cocktails.
    Perhaps, there could be a senior student forum discussing which organizations should receive the money (that way you could contribute to a foundation of choice; I would recommend lots of smaller-scale partnerships that have existed successfully for a significant amount of time, are not religiously affiliated and promote long-term local sustainability).
    Also, to keep in mind: “If you have come to help me you are wasting your time, but if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine then let us work together.” -Australian Aboriginal Collective

  41. anon

    yeah, there may be some intellectual concerns over why devote this particular money at this particular time, and even some procedural concerns.

    but you’re still a terrible human being.

  42. anon

    yeah, there may be some intellectual concerns over why devote this particular money at this particular time, and even some procedural concerns.

    but you’re still a terrible human being.

  43. Anon

    While there may have been some procedural problems in the attempt at democracy, none of this takes away from the fact that you are still privileging one night with your friends over potentially saving lives. That is not a false choice meant to be emotionally manipulative, it is the reality of the situation. This is technical deflection and incredibly self-absorbed. I’m sorry to say this, but you should be ashamed.

  44. Anon

    While there may have been some procedural problems in the attempt at democracy, none of this takes away from the fact that you are still privileging one night with your friends over potentially saving lives. That is not a false choice meant to be emotionally manipulative, it is the reality of the situation. This is technical deflection and incredibly self-absorbed. I’m sorry to say this, but you should be ashamed.

  45. Anon

    I don’t agree, but this is the best post I’ve seen on Wesleying in a long, long time. Maybe ever. Meaningful, thoughtful opinion – the blogs needs more of it.

  46. Anon

    I don’t agree, but this is the best post I’ve seen on Wesleying in a long, long time. Maybe ever. Meaningful, thoughtful opinion – the blogs needs more of it.

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