THESISCRAZY 2017 (PART 8): The Dawn of the Last Full Day

“I’ve been telling people that my brain is somewhere splattered on some pavement that I’ve been trying to find.”

                                                  “anonymous preparedness”

It’s the last full day of thesis-ing for most of you (more on that later), and you can feel the stress gathering in the air–or is that the humidity that chose to accompany the lovely spring temperatures? Either way, we’ve got plenty of interviews left to distract you from last-minute edits, frantically writing acknowledgments, and all the other stuff you have to do before you hit print one last time. And if these aren’t enough, you can also read back on all seven parts of THESISCRAZY 2017  here, here, herehereherehere, and here, and you can find the entire archive here.

If you’re a thesis writer who’s feeling really wild, and you really want an interview before the pearly gates close at 4 PM tomorrow, you can email us at staff[at]wesleying[dot]edu with your name, major, workspace/carrel number, and times you can meet today, and there’s ~a chance~ (no promises) we’ll be able to make the magic happen before 4 PM tomorrow. But you should probably be working anyways.

Check out the interviews after the cut:

Rebecca Tom ‘16 BA/MA, master’s thesis in NS&B

Working title: “I have an official title actually because BA/MAs have to hand their titles in and get their official titles approved early so my title is…I want to get this right, so bear with me while I look through all of my thousands of word documents that are open. ‘Not All Those Who Wander Are Lost: Individual Differences in Addiction-Like Behavior Induced by Optogenetic Stimulation of the Central Amygdala.’

On her topic: “In the Robinson lab, we study the neural basis of addiction, and that can be any kind of addiction like junk food addiction, gambling disorder, etc. But I’m focusing more on substance abuse. The brain region that I focus on is the central amygdala, like I mentioned in my title. And we use optogenetics to manipulate the central amygdala and study what it does. Optogenetics is probably a little over a decade old, so it’s a fairly new technique within neuroscience, but it blew up. It’s used by so many people now. Basically, it allows you to use light to activate a specific set of neurons within a specific brain region. So we’re using light to activate the central amygdala in a very temporally-specific manner. We find that when we activate the central amygdala, we are able to induce addiction-like behavior in rats.

On how she came up with the topic: “It’s more about coming into the project rather than coming up with the project. It’s different in the sciences; you kind of just continue or build on the project that your PI [Principal Investigator] wants you to in his or her area of research. I’m basically just taking his [Professor Robinson’s] research on the central amygdala further and studying it in more detail and really trying to characterize the behavior that we’re seeing as addiction-like by using the DSM-5 criteria for substance use disorder and trying to model that as best as we can with rats.”

On her progress: “I’ve officially finished all 40 of my graphs in the results section and the stats. I’m done with the methods section. And now it’s just a race to the finish line to do the introduction–which is basically just a long lit review–the discussion, which shouldn’t be too bad. And, that’s about it. But in between all of those things, I’ve got a big seminar talk that I have to give, which I’m pretty stressed about. So that’s gonna take time away from writing my thesis. It’ll get done, because it has to get done. But it’s gonna be quite the race.”

On her current mental state: “I’m pretty tired. I feel like I have a love/hate relationship with my research right now. Sometimes I’m really into it, and I think it’s really exciting that I have the skills to analyze this in so many different ways but also, it sucks that I can analyze this in so many different ways because I probably should do just that/my PI probably wants me to. So I’m pretty tired. And I miss outside.”

On her most upsetting thesis experience: “Yes, that happened recently. We store all of our files and data on Wesfiles. I store my master data analysis spreadsheet on there and I definitely should have been backing up my files elsewhere. I should know by now how much Wesfiles sucks but something like this had never happened to me before, so I was like ‘It’s not gonna happen now’ but that was very dumb. I had essentially lost two weeks worth of data analysis that I had done on that master spreadsheet and it was only that file that had a problem, and Wesfiles kept telling me that it was corrupt and I couldn’t open it. So that was definitely my worst day ever in terms of thesising. But it’s okay, we’re back on track now, and I’m backing everything up on the desktop, I’m emailing everything to myself, and I’ve got a USB stick.”

Favorite form of procrastination: “Sleeping, Grey’s Anatomy, and I don’t know, I don’t really think eating counts because you need to do that. So myself and a couple of other BA/MAs are also applying to med school in the midst of this and that has definitely been a reason to not focus on the thesis, and now we’re all kind of rushing to finish right now.”

Advice for future thesis writers: “For the BA/MA, definitely be careful if you’re going to apply to med school and do the BA/MA during the same year, because I think both are time consuming processes and I think it’s really hard to split your time between the two. Definitely start writing as early as you can, and I know that’s something that everybody says. And keep up good communication with your adviser. I think that really helps. And remember that breaks are ok, even though that’s very hypocritical of me to say.”

On her favorite part of the thesis process: “I love making graphs and making them look nice. That’s probably a good thing because I enjoy it, but it’s a really bad thing because I’ll be a perfectionist about it and spend way too long on making graphs look good.”

On if her thesis was a song/movie/tv show: “That’s a tough question because I don’t know any sciencey tv shows. I would like to envision it as the pre-clinical research of someone on Grey’s Anatomy, but that’s stretching it *laughs*”

Most used word/phrase: “Is there a way that I can check for that? Definitely ‘addiction,’ ‘preference,’ ‘CEA,’ which is the abbreviation for central amygdala, ‘significantly,’ which I’m really happy about. And ‘laser,’ which is the light we use to activate the neurons.”

Plans for the deadline (April 28th for MAs): “Probably just drinking and sleeping.”


Nate Gardner ‘17
FILM major, thesis in FILM, no carrel

Working title: “The title of my screenplay is gonna be recorded as ‘Hold on to the Night.’ Title’s not my forte, I still don’t feel really good about it, but whatever.”

On his topic: “I’m one of the five people writing screenplays for the film department, so it’s just, find a story that you wanted to write on for a year. My movie is sort of a look at the conditions of codependent relationships and specifically, a character study of this individual who I see as redeemable, but who can’t for himself actually choose redemption, can’t really live in the real world.”

On how he thought of his topic: “I originally was planning on doing more of a haunted house story, and then in conversations with my thesis
advisor, kinda realized that it was a much more potent story in this individual’s sort of just general despondence in his interactions with a sort of ghostly presence in this house, as opposed to just this haunted house thing. I don’t know if that answers that at all. *laughs*”

On his progress: “Actually better than expected? It’s a 90-page screenplay, and I’m on my third draft, so that’s way more than I’ve ever written on anything, and that’s pretty awesome. And I feel pretty good about it. I’m definitely still in the crunch right now and am revising like crazy and kinda tossing scenes and moving them around and shit, trying to make
them work. I had a thesis meeting with my advisor this past Friday where he said he still doesn’t really get
the motivations behind my characters, so like, that’s going great *laughs* But I feel good!”

On his current mental state: “I’ve been telling people that my brain is somewhere splattered on some pavement that I’ve been trying to find, so there’s that, which isn’t necessarily fully accurate. I’m also very hungry cause I have blood tests today so I’ve been doing a little bit of fasting. It works well together.”

On his most upsetting thesis experience: “Probably… in some ways probably that meeting with my advisor where we figured out what the hell this movie was gonna be, cause it was like, ‘Oh, I’m gonna do this cool sort of weird haunted house story,’ and then realizing that the meat of the story and what it wanted to be was actually like, an exorcism of some past relationship shit that I haven’t actually taken the time to engage with or deal with, and this was a really good opportunity to do that for me and work through some shit. I just didn’t really feel ready for that at the moment, but realized that that’s kinda what this needed to be. So that was good.”

Favorite form of procrastination: “Probably spontaneous dancing? I’ve been going through a lot of old music that I used to really love and finding new shit and whatnot.”

On his advice for future thesis writers: “Obviously the old cliche, ‘Choose something you’re passionate about,’ cause you should, it’s a year, it’s like a lot. But also, don’t take yourself or the project too seriously, cause I think for me, this is gonna be true, I think for a lot of people this is gonna be true, especially for film people, but really any creative, and really any of these theses, I think it’s such a long and interesting process, and it’s usually something that you haven’t done before, and something bigger than any of us have done before, so just letting it be the learning process, and maybe you produce a pile of shit at the end and you can’t be proud of it, but at least you did that, and now you know what it takes to have an undertaking like this or something. I think that’s really what’s been helpful for me going through, just thinking, like, ‘I’m kinda proud of it now, but it’s definitely not where it wants to be, and I’m okay with that, cause it’s been a crazy thing along the way.’”

On his favorite part of his thesis: “Probably the soundtrack. I’ve written the songs of the movie into it, which a lot of screenwriters are like, ‘That’s bad! Bad!’ But yeah, it’s kind of got like, a mixtape feel for a horror movie, so it’s fun.”

On his most used word/phrase: “I’m honestly not sure, and I don’t know if the writing program I have even does that, but my lead character’s favorite expletive is ‘Shitfuck!’ So there’s that. That’s about that.”

On his plans for April 19th: “Figure out if there’s any way to get out of my class early enough to make it to the steps, and then after that, literally whatever happens will happen. There’s gonna be no conscious decision-making whatsoever, I’m excited about that for once.”

Abby Cunniff ‘17 AMST major, thesis in AMST, carrel #355

Working title: “Okay, it’s like ‘Prisons and the Environment,’ but it’s something better than that. Well, no it’s like ‘Systems of Incarceration as Related to Human and Ecological Health in California’ probably.”

On her topic: “Right now, in California, there is a wave of jail-expansion projects because all of the state-run prisons got really overcrowded and there were a bunch of different lawsuits against the state, against the governor because mental and physical medical care was really bad and it was not possible to provide it when it was overcrowded to like 200% of normal capacity. So, basically right now, the way that the state is going about correcting for this massive overcrowding issue is by allocating funding to county-level police forces, sheriff’s departments, to figure out what they want to do with the money and to decrease the number of people that are in state prison. What they’ve adopted, largely, is a policy to build more jails on a local level, just to change the type of incarceration and have people serve out their sentences in jails, which are only meant to hold people for 30 days. So, we’re seeing a wave of counties in California trying to build new jails. Over the summer, I worked with a few different anti-prison organizations and I was working with them to write a report about the history of environmental problems as related to prisons. So like sewage spills, soil pollution, and air pollution problems that have been exacerbated and how human health issues have been created by prisons. I used that archival research that I did with the help of people who have been fighting jails for like 30, 40 years in the central valley to help them write the report. But they did a lot of the framing on it and then I took the research that I did for that, which is the original contribution of my thesis, and then I’m building out a history of jails and water systems in California and how the state of California has had to build the environment. Because California is a desert, and there’s 40 million people, and it’s one of the biggest agricultural economies in the country. And then I’m asking ‘Is it possible to have health in a system that has prisons?’ and ‘What are the implications for health and life around prisons?’ *Laughs* That’s my thesis!”

On how she came up with her topic: “Here’s a secret. I used to be an ECON major back in the day. Well, I was an econ major for a second and then turned it into an econ minor and was maybe still going to take econ classes last year. And so I thought I was going to do an analysis of this type of funding system that the California government is using to build out more jails. So I knew that there was this jail boom happening, so I met someone from Critical Resistance in LA the year after my sophomore year and had heard about jails being a problem and how it related to bail, so I called this woman Diana Zuñiga, who is one of the most important people for my thesis. I called her and I was like, ‘Hey, I’m gonna do an academic project and I want to base it around LA County jails and/or something around California and incarceration, what do you think makes sense?’ and she said, ‘If you have a background in environmental issues and environmental activism, I think you should look deeper because I don’t have time to. I’m running a statewide coalition and I’m doing all of these statewide lobbying efforts, but if you can pick up research about pollution and jails, that would be so helpful for me.’ And then I was like, ‘Let’s go.’”

On her progress: “I have something that I could turn it. It’s not cute. I’m trying to get it to be much more polished than it is right now. So I’m supposed to be sending in a fully polished draft to Kauanui on Wednesday [April 12th], so we’ll see.”

On her current mental state: “I was texting my friend. I said, ‘Who am I? Why am I doing this? What is my purpose in this world?’ Um yeah, that’s how I’m feeling. But not in a way where I’m really stressed out. I don’t know what I should be prioritizing this week. I guess I should just be working as hard as I can to turn in something.”

Most upsetting thesis experience: “I saw Yael Horowitz ’17’s. Those were a bummer. I don’t think I’ve had anything that serious. The most upsetting thesis experience was when I was just communicating really poorly with my adviser. And we were just talking on like 5 different threads and it was the first week of last semester. And I didn’t think that I needed to be submitting things yet. I didn’t really understand, and I was just emailing her the wrong drafts on different things and she was understandably like, ‘What the fuck are you doing?’ and I was just getting so worked up. But I worked through it and it wasn’t that upsetting.”

Favorite form of procrastination: Sitar Terass-Shah ‘17 showed me this game Two Dots. I play that a lot. Also, organizing Israeli Apartheid Week events last week was definitely important to me but also maybe a form of procrastination.”

Advice for future thesis writers: “If lighting has a noticeable effect on your mood, I would recommend going to estate treasures on main street extension & getting a small lamp for your carrel so that you can turn off the humming fluorescent lights that are in most carrels.”

On her favorite part of her thesis: “I read Soledad Brother for Professor Eudell’s class, History of Incarceration. It’s about George Jackson, who is this guy who was incarcerated from the age of 18 to when he was shot and killed by a prison guard like 10 or 12 years later. And it’s about his political writings while he was in solitary and was being disciplined perpetually. So, the quote that I use as the introduction to my third chapter, which is the theoretical framing of what do prisons mean for human and ecological health, is from Jackson and basically says, ‘If you want to understand the prison system, you have to go really far. You have to delve into the core of the Amerikan–he spells American with a k–historical and political experience.’ And I took that really seriously for trying to understand what the ecological implications of prisons.”

Most used word/phrase: “Probably ‘system’ or ‘systems.’ Oh, ‘space’ yeah that’s one.”

On her thesesfeces: “Yuuuuck. No, it’s been pretty fine. Nothing to write home about.”

Plans for April 19th: “Nope.”

Isabel Fine ‘17 AMST major, thesis in AMST, carrel #353

Working title: “It’s ‘Booze, Brands and Boys: The Politics of Selectivity and Exclusion in an American Sorority.’ Everything needs a colon. Every one I see has a colon. [wilk: “Yes. Colon something something something.”] Yeah, it’s like ‘Here’s Something I Say’ colon ‘Here’s Something Else I Say’ *laughs*”

On her topic: “It’s an American Studies thesis, obviously, and it explores one sorority at one big state university during fall 2016, and it looks at their institutional practices and the ways ‘women’ was defined for me by the women I spoke with there, which was in the very narrow, biological, synonymous-with-female sense. It looks at the ways that these women engage with their sorority, the way that their sorority engages with the rest of the greek system in general and what that means in terms of institutional power, normativity, and relations based off of race, gender, sex, sexuality, ability, etc.”

On how she came up with the topic: “Well, I felt like I was really bombarded with images throughout my entire life of sororities and fraternities. My sister is in a sorority and some of my good friends from home are and obviously I’m not. So I was bombarded with images; half of our presidents have been in fraternities and Animal House and seeing news articles about people having to eat vomit. And I was just like, ‘What is going on?’ and asking, ‘How do these people go from making each other eat vomit to being our president?’ So I was like, ‘Ok.’ And compared to the power that these people have, there’s not enough scholarship about it, which was really surprising to me when I started it. I mean, there’s some, but not as much as there is about other big institutions. But there’s a growing amount, and in higher education scholarship as well, as that grows, maybe this will grow as well. I was really interested in what it meant, but I was also like, ‘Okay, I’m going to be doing this for a year. I don’t want to be in my carrel, banging my head against a wall reading books nonstop for a year.’ I really commend people who can do that, but I just didn’t think I’d be able to stay with it. So I was like, ‘How can I do something that feels important and speak with students?’ and I was like, ‘Oh Greek life, yes of course!’ Again, it’s something I was really interested in and didn’t know that much about. Maybe I know too much now? And, we don’t really have Greek life here anymore in the ways that I was really interested in, and so I got two Wesleyan grants–I don’t know why they gave me money but they did–to travel to a big state university to speak with students about what their real life experiences were like, which was incredible. I’m using that as the primary source of my inquiry and then I’m using scholarly and secondary sources to supplement.”

On her progress: “It’s fine. It is what it is now and I’ll be done in a week, or under a week I guess. I have a draft. I have to do all my citations today [April 13th], which is the really tedious part. Everyone’s like, ‘You should do your citations as you go’ and I was like, ‘Mhm’ and then of course didn’t do it. I’m having a very good friend who is a lovely person read it today, which is really really kind of her and I have to get her a gift for doing it. So hopefully that will go not horribly. I definitely need to edit more. I definitely need to do my in-text citations, my bibliography, the acknowledgement, all the nitty gritty stuff, as well as just wait to get the feedback from my advisers.”

On her current mental state: “I’m ready for it to end. I feel like I’m ready to be focusing on things that I’m not doing as much. People feel differently obviously, but I feel like the act of the thesis and the way that we’ve conceptualized it is a really selfish thing. It would be really cool if we could do theses that were more collaborative. If I could have done something like this in partnership with someone who did a studio art thesis…I don’t even know what that could look like. But I’m ready to not be only be doing my own thing and asking, ‘What am I interested in?’ and then spend the whole day doing that. Not even in big ways, but in small ways, to be able to be there for my friends again. I’m ready to not be sitting in this tiny carrel and to be on Foss. It’s just the small things. If someone’s like, ‘Do you want to get dinner?’ I don’t want to be like, ‘Yeah, but I might have to cancel.’ I’m just ready to be a better community member again.”

On her most upsetting thesis experience: “Well, my adviser was ghosting me for a while. I was sending them emails and they wouldn’t email me back. So that was upsetting for a while. But it’s my own project, I guess, so as much as they have in the past helped me and when they will read this and get back to me, I knew it was going to be helpful. So I’m trying to see the positive in being ghosted.”

Favorite form of procrastination: “Oh I’ve been cooking decadent meals, which I don’t have the time for. Like fancy meals. I started eating chicken again, which was dumb. I haven’t eaten meat in over a year and this week I was like ‘I’m gonna try chicken.’ And this is maybe the worst time to start eating meat again, because what if I get really sick? So like, what if that’s a form of *laughs* self-destruction for my thesis. But it’s been going well! I’ve made different types of chicken and I’ve really enjoyed it. And I’ll try to make really balanced meals. It sounds crazy, but I’m like, ‘Oh, if I eat really well then I’ll be able to be more focused.’ I’ll be like, ‘Ok, here’s my vegetable, here’s my protein, and here’s my grain.’”

Advice for future thesis writers: “Definitely do stuff early. You have a year. And it kinda sucks sometimes to really push yourself but for me it’s been an exercise in stamina. And I’m not usually a person who starts a final three weeks early. That’s not who I am. I wish I were more organized like that, but I’m not. So it’s been a really good way for me to become more organized. At every step I was like ‘I wish I had done it earlier, I wish I had done it earlier.’ Especially going into March break, it was nice to have a week where I was letting it sit–or fester I guess. And that doesn’t mean what I had at March break was good by any means because I don’t even know if what I have right now is good. I mean, I hope. I really hope *laughs*. And really pace yourself and be gentle with yourself if you don’t hit the deadline that you need, but also really push yourself to hit that deadline just so you can take care of yourself in other ways.”

On her favorite part of her thesis: “I have half of a chapter, so 15-20 pages on analyzing the genre of sorority rush videos. And I get to include some stills that I took from YouTube videos of sorority rush videos. I personally learn best with mixed media, so I use a lot of graphs and charts throughout the rest of my thesis. I like being able to say, ‘Look at this picture of like people throwing glitter or whatever’ and being able to analyze it. Especially in line with what I was saying before about not focusing totally on the scholarly material or the theory that can be so dense and that I don’t understand.”

On if her thesis was a song/movie/tv show: “Probably the show Greek. Or ‘Tequila Makes Your Clothes Fall Off,’ that one country song. Or Animal House.”

Most used word/phrase: “Uh, ‘sisterhood’ probably. I also feel really fancy whenever I throw things in like ‘as such’ or ‘nevertheless,’ so I try to throw those in.”

On her thesesfeces: “Regular. Yeah *laughs*.”

Plans for April 19th: “I haven’t really thought about it. I’m probably gonna skip class. I’m hoping to print my thesis the day before, so I’m hoping April 19th will be a breath. I don’t know, I haven’t thought about it. I’m just trying to get through. Definitely gonna do the champagne thing. Definitely going to try to get champagne this weekend before it all sells out. I’m just excited and visualizing it.”

Miranda Konar ‘17 ENGL/MDST major, thesis in both, no carrel

Working title: “I am a double major in English and Medieval Studies. I actually just came up with title at lunch with my friend, Kate Bodner ‘17. She helped me come up with my working title, which I still need to run by my advisor. Right now it is ‘The Death of Arthur: A Critical and Creative approach to 14th Century Alliterative Poetry.’ It’s not a thesis if it isn’t something, colon, something.”

On her topic: “My topic is adapting two 14th-century texts into a television mini-series. The first half of the thesis is the critical analysis of these two texts, and what I’m trying to do in my adaptation is connecting Catholicism, like Medieval Catholicism, and cannibalism through the crusades. Because there was a lot of cannibalism by Medieval Christians in the crusades, and they felt weird about it and then they wrote all this literature, I think trying to work through it. The critical part is connecting those themes in this one work that is about the downfall of Arthur’s entire court. I’m saying that cannibalism is a chivalrous practice that self destructs, and that is what happens. The second half are proposals for the episodes. So, like plot point by plot point, dialogue, camera directions for the important visuals. For images that I’m trying to connect, I include them in the same shot sequence. The two texts that I’m using are alliterative, so it’s about adapting alliteration to a visual format. I guess that’s my thesis!”

On how she came up with her topic: “I didn’t know that I wanted to do a thesis. I talked to a professor that I had during freshman year in my junior year about my options and he just very offhandedly said, ‘What if you made this into a show?’ and I was like, ‘Yeah, ok!’ and then I did it. I’ve been very lucky with English and Medieval Studies, there’s been a lot of flexibility in what a thesis can be, because this is a weird one. He kind of just said it, and I pounced.”

On her progress: “Progress is ok. I’m technically on track. I’m about to go and meet my advisor to read the last thing that I’ve written. So as long as that’s fine, I’m probably fine. It is a weird thing now that everything is technically fine, but I’m always stressed, and I don’t know why. I go through everything and try to figure out what’s wrong, but I’m maybe just going to feel this way until Wednesday. Constant low-level anxiety.”

On her current mental state: “Yeah, also fine. Maybe not because it just took me so long to answer this question! I guess something that a lot of people have said is that “this is a project that I could work on forever’ and could also be done with today. Yeah, it’s not just done because I’m handing it in on Wednesday, but it will be nice to be done with it for now.”

On her most upsetting thesis experience: “I actually can’t really pinpoint one. Not a particular experience, but there was a point in October, I think, where I didn’t really feel that I knew what I was doing, or if I should be doing a thesis. It was October break, and I went to New York and stayed with my brother and just like talked to him for a long time and gave myself a break. I came back and was like, “Yeah, I still care about this,” and then I continued doing it. I’m glad that I did.

On her favorite form of procrastination: “It has most consistently been Buzzfeed. It’s always Buzzfeed. I used to have standards with Buzzfeed, but now I’ll read anything. The quizzes like ‘Decorate a kitchen and we’ll tell you which of the horseman of the apocalypse you are,’ and I’m like, ‘Yeah, I’m there!’ Once you get onto the community page, they’ll let anybody onto the community page! But, like, who am I to judge? I’m here, not writing my thesis. It’s been most consistently Buzzfeed, from beginning to the end. Now it’s getting to the point where I can only procrastinate by doing work for other classes, but that’s not been representative of the whole experience.”

On her advice for future thesis writers: “One general piece of advice is definitively take advantage of your breaks. I came back for part of winter and spring breaks, and I don’t think I would have finished by now if I hadn’t. Also, advice that has been very particular to my experience: I am an English major and still needed English credits, but like to use reading to relax. If you can try to structure your schedule in a way so that if you do have to be in other classes, it can also be a relaxation from your thesis. The classes that I am in, I’m just sort of regarding as booklists that professors gave me that now is how I take a break from my thesis.”

On her thesis as a tv show/movie/song: “*laughs* It would be a television mini-series called ‘The Death of Arthur.’ This isn’t film anymore, also maybe indicative of my mental state, there was a period of time, a couple weeks, where I found this one song called ‘In the Yard,’ and I could only listen to that song all the time. I didn’t even want silence, I started thinking within that song. It’s this hypnotic and really beautiful song, although I think that it’s just a guy’s conversation with his landlord. So it doesn’t have too much to do with my thesis, it’s just about home ownership. But that’s what I think of!”

On her most used phrase: “Definitely ‘cannibal’ comes up a lot. A lot of words about eating. ‘Saracen,’ which is the particular word that these texts use to talk about the people that fought in the crusades. And in the episodes it’s just saying ‘to cut open.’ Like, everything is being cut open, all the time! ‘Pierced.’ ‘Thrust.’ ‘Disembowelled.’ Words of that nature.”

On her thesesfeces: “Regular. Looking back on it, it’s been regular.”

On her plans for April 19th: “I actually still have classes, so I have to go to those. But, this weekend I’m going on the Wes Co-op trip where they take you to the goat farm where they source local produce, which I think there are still seats for! You go and try the cheese and hold the goats. That feels really restorative. So that’s what I’m really looking forward to.”

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Interviews by wilkmichelle, and midmar.